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[edit] Dual Rugby International- Anlezark

Arthur Anlezark - The 2005 Annual elsewhere calls him Ernest, another book I have says A.E.Anlezark, so I guess Arthur Ernest was his name. From Lismore, played on the 1909 Roo Tour. No first grade games in the NSWRL. --Angry mob mulls options 14:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cyril Abotomey

Hey mate, the correct time period was 1923-34.The article is totally factual.

If you own any Rugby league encyclopedia's look it up. I would guess he was (more than likely) a bit-time player and spent a lot of time in lower grades or he was very injury prone. Tiburon 02:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Darrel Chapman

This fine footballer, teacher and academic who died tragically early deserves an article. I can write it but do you have any info? I have approached SCU where he was working when he died for additional info. Thanks Albatross2147 03:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3 Rabbitohs

Hey Satts Greg Hawick, Chick Cowie and George Treweek figure in the 04 Dream Team but have no linked articles. I'm thinking this is a gap on the main club article. Do you have any inf on these players & I'll start a stub on each.Sticks66 06:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Sticks66, some brief info on these players:

Greg Hawick

Debuted with Souths in 1950 as a lock. Switched to the backline playing halfback and centre. Played with Souths from 1950 to 1956, winning 5 premierships. 84 games, 19 tries, 62 goals for 181 points. Toured with Kangaroos to Great Britain in 1952-53 playing 2 tests, another 16 tour matches and scoring 8 tries. Toured New Zealand with Kangaroos in 1953 playing 2 tests, 6 other tour matches and scoring 2 tries and kicking 3 goals. All together played 6 tests for Australia and 8 games for NSW.

Les "Chicka" Cowie

Lock forward. Won 5 premierships with Souths. 178 games for Souths between 1947 to 1957. Also played 10 games for NSW and 6 Tests for Australia. Toured with 1948-49 Kangaroos team playing 20 matches and scoring 10 tries. Toured New Zealand with Kangaroos in 1949 playing 2 tests, 6 other tour matches and scoring 5 tries.

George Treweek

Second row forward. Won 6 premierships with Souths. Captained Souths in 1931 and 1932 premiership victories. 120 games for Souths between 1926 to 1934. Also played 7 games for NSW and 18 Tests for Australia. 2006 ARL Hall of Fame inductee. Rated as one of the finest second row forwards ever to play for Australia. Test debut against touring Great Britain team in 1928. Toured Britain with 1929-30 Kangaroo team playing in 4 tests and 22 games in all and scoring 6 tries. Sattlersjaw 10:14, 25 March 2007 (UTC) Hey Satts, thanks for the info but then you went & beat me to it. Well done. I've linked all Dream Team players to that Article on the Souths Website. It seems that Bob Grant also doesn't have an article. Do you have anything on him ? Sticks66 12:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I've fixed the link and put some info up for Bob Grant.
Sattlersjaw 03:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Gibson

As you may know the new NSW Minister for Sport has in the past claimed that he played grade for Manly Warringah in the 60s. Have you any information on this? Thanks

(BTW I am still getting info on Darrel C.) Albatross2147 04:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WPRL Article Improvement Drive

Hey I've noticed you're a regular on rugby league articles, particulary NRL ones. I need your advice on something I'm thinking of starting up on the project. Many WikiProjects have Article Improvement Drives which have different levels of success. I'm thinking of starting one up for this one too, but instead of voting on an article I would rather strive to improve one NRL club every fortnight and bring it up very close to featured status. Now it seems as though there'd be a lot of work involved, but there are also a lot of club fans out there who'd probably be willing to participate. Basically there are 30 weeks in the NRL season and there are 15 club pages that are not yet featured. I propose that we all have a schedule to work on one new article every second round, in alphabetical order. By the end of the season hopefully we will have 15 near-complete, if not complete articles. My only concern at this stage is the dedication of editors to help out other team pages that they are not interested in. Basically in order to get the support of editors like these, we need a few leaders in the project. If you are willing to dedicate a bit of your time every week into this and if you have any further suggestions, could you let me know at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby league/Article improvement drive? Thanks, --05:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

At this stage I'm thinking we'll do articles only for existing clubs. So yes, South Sydney will be the first page we'll tidy up (and to be honest I've already done a bit of work on it myself). I guess that will leave the Gold Coast Titans last, which makes sense, because then we'll at least have a proper history section to work on. Looking forward to seeing how this goes. Cheers, --mdmanser 14:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Headings

I have just looked over your article Paul Sait, which looks quite well done for a fairly seasoned player with an excellent record. Obviously it could be improved by a photo of him taken during his career, but that might be hard to get hold of legitimately. Please reveiew WP:MSH, in particular section heading should use the same capitalisation as article headings: first word and proper nouns are upper case, everything else lower case. Garrie 22:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

(from my talk page)

Thx for the comments. I'm not big on photos, seems to me that editors who add them then spend time & energy justifying legit use & defending them from deletion. I'll leave that to others. My out-take from reading WP:MSH and your comments is that my section header "Club Career" should be "Club career". Are you saying more than that ? Sticks66 04:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, arguing the toss over photos is best left to others. Some of us know people with their own match photos though and anything you took yourself is yours to contribute if you so wish. Yes, "Club career" and similar for other section headings with more than one word. Some people want the section, paragraph and line number others want plain english... ;) You seemed to have been consistent across several articles which is why I came here rather than just fixing it. But having said that, I can't find anywhere else I can fault your work! (I'm sure I looked first though...) So please, let me take my foot out of my mouth and appologise. Garrie 04:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

If you've been back to them and fixed the capitalisation, well done. It was a minor point but it's the minor points that make all the biographical articles belong in the same family (same for Rugby League articles). Garrie 23:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Souths FA

Well I have to say it's looking fantastic. Sattlersjaw has done a great job throwing those citations into the article - that part should pass the FA department. But if I had to make any comments it would be that the Culture and Statistics section need to get rid of the subheadings like that. I would think split the Culture section and make the Statistics section into mroe consolidated paragraphs like you see at Sydney Roosters. Small things like that cause a big uproar at WP:FAC. I wouldn't nominate it just yet because Sattlersjaw looks busy updating a few things, but it looks presentable. One more thing - we need an independent copyeditor to get the grammar and prose up to top standards - the guy who helped me on the Roosters article may accept another invitation if I ask him to help out. Keep in touch with me and Sattlersjaw as things progress. All the best. --mdmanser 13:18, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Season articles

They're not really my articles. Someone called CEP78 and I have been working on them. The same situation exists for the 1911 grand final. When I came across it I just put merger requests on both articles. If no one else does it I'll do it myself one of these days I guess. Might be an idea to just request mergers anytime you find the grand final on a separate page, so when poeple come across them they can look at merging the two. Or you could be bold and do it yourself. I really think they belong in the season pages. I'd like to see every season page include grand final details eventually.--Jeff79 17:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Before doing it I thought I'd check with you first, but I reckon the advertising section could be a sub-heading under "Pre-season" or "Season Summary" or something. Seems a little out of place as a main section coming after the Grand Final section in my opinion.--Jeff79 19:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HoodooGurus

That's a line I think I stole directly from the Hoodoo Gurus aricle and I think it was referring to the song's own original video.--Jeff79 18:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logo deletion

I think I already gave it a try. I stuck a fair use rationale on there. Not a very good one mind you, but I was hoping it'd be enough to stave off the deletion.--Jeff79 06:09, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Team line ups in Grand Final section of Season Articles

No, you aren't imagining it. I tried another screen and the default table text is definitely larger than the default text. I've changed it to 90% - see what you think now. The table itself looks a bit 'skinny'. sandbox. I'll have to have a play with getting the new subject header under the table. Florrie 06:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

And another five lines takes the header under the table. Who'd have thought it would be so easy? I changed the table columns to 130,80,130 and that's about the narrowest you can go and still allow room for longish names. It was 150,80,150px. Is the page width and white space affected by screen size? I'm running on a 19" screen and it looks fine. Florrie 11:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
The table could be narrower again if we used the standard position abbreviations. FB, WG, CE etc. Florrie 11:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Go for it. Florrie 14:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Raiders GF Players

The players you wanted: Brent Todd, Matthew Wood, Paul Martin and Gary Coyne (M Coyne is probably Mark Coyne, who never played for the Raiders). If you want any other players, this site is helpful: [1] Damanmundine1 13:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Position descriptor in GF team line-ups

Very sorry, my isp has been down for two days - yes, I do agree with the links. I thought we had discussed it before somewhere but I may have imagined it. Florrie 13:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Quayle

Nothing about him that I can find in the books I can reference. This link provides some scoring history for him from 1971 onwards: http://www.ozrugbyleague.com/statistics/scorers/players/John_Quayle.html Not sure what his stats were prior to this date. Maybe some Parra or Roosters supporters on Wiki can help - try CumberlandsAshes81 or Mdmanser as they may have more on him.

I have a copy of the 'Encyclopedia of Rugby League Players', this will have all of John Quayle's stats. I will try and add them soon.Grizzlybear82 02:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1990 Panthers

Don't remember that far back. J Vitanza would be Joe. As for the others, I'll ask on the Panthers message board.Florrie 13:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

The thread is at League Unlimited if you want to keep an eye on it for responses - which might be quickest as I won't be on-line again until tomorrow night. http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?p=3508923#post3508923 Florrie 13:57, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

David Greene, Barry Walker, Paul Clarke and Joe Vitanza.

And Paul Smith!Florrie 10:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hunterlink

Go to this one http://www2.hunterlink.net.au/~maajjs/ From there you can go to various places, click on Australia (up top) Go down to section heading "Australian Competitions" were there is adequate informationon all season. Extremely detailed 1995-1998. Go to New South Wales Competitions for 1908-1993 sections of NSWRL competitons. Bit of info on Queensland Comps too. There is also information on other countries from that main page above. Unfortenely it only goes to 1998. Hope that helps. SpecialWindler talk 10:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Same time 1979

Yes, sorry! But George was so pleased that he could actually remember most of the team! Is there a way to flag lists/tables that are being worked on? I know I was working on one several weeks ago and came back to find someone had completed it. They can take a real effort to research and it seems such a waste to double-up. Maybe an edit comment or text comment in the 'yet to start' section? What do you think? Florrie 12:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Souths GFs 1967 to 1970

Hi Sticks, I will have a look at expanding the grand final match reports when I get some time.Sattlersjaw 02:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Finals

I have given you the teams for the 1940-1953 grand finals. (except a few) Its all from the same source which I have linked. It is on you work space page, all the teams. Hope it helps, Please reply. SpecialWindler talk 23:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Manly Sea Eagles

Sticks, I appreciate your input, but please note that I've added the under-construction label to the page until I pick through my input. With the addition of the History page, I am summarising the Main page so many of your current suggestions will be mute points, once the new detail is entered. Feel free to have a crack through the new History page and make the relevant changes there as I will not be getting involved in the changes there.

[edit] Re: Finals sections of Season Articles

Yeah I think I may even insert tables into the sections from now, and start to replace brackets with them in the future perhaps. In that regard then crowds and referee names will be present in all articles hopefully. mdmanser 11:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Club logos

To be honest, I've never worked out why logos should even have a fair use rationale. I mean they're only used on one page and it's pretty obvious why they are on there. It seems that all this fair use reasoning is a waste of time, but unfortunately there are those out there who become a little too pedantic about the whole issue, and end up deleting images which they could just write fair use reasoning in half the time it takes for them to delete it. As for adding rationales - I suggest copying the text from here or here. That should do the trick in most cases. Cheers, mdmanser 11:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My edits

Hi Sticks, if the article didn't actually get reverted, it must be a problem with VandalProof, which I was using. I'll keep an eye on it - thanks for letting me know! Kat, Queen of Typos 03:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coaches category

No, I don't know, sorry. I had a look through the various WP pages on categorisation but couldn't find anything helpful. You don't want to split the article into individuals rather than family? ~ Florrie • talk • 13:17, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Sadly the only people I 'know' on wikipedia are the RL lot! I've seen this used about the place, the Template:Helpme which is {{helpme}} - supposedly it is a very quick way of asking for assistance. Just put it on your talk page with the question. Wouldn't hurt to try. ~ Florrie • talk • 04:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I was following the discussion. Good to see there is a solution of sorts! ~ Florrie • talk • 08:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article is about a number of people but can I categorise just one of them ?

{{helpme}} I write about old footballers. In two cases I have created articles about notable footballing brothers Burge Family & McLean Family (rugby footballers) . Their cause celebre lies in the family connection since at least for the lesser famous brothers they wouldn't have their own articles except in the context of their family's achievements. My question is how do I categorise just one of them as something ( eg Frank Burge was a noted [[Category:Rugby league coaches|Burge, Frank]] but his brothers weren't} without the name that appears in the category listing being the broader family article name. It ought be the individual's name. -Sticks66 10:34, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

With the current software, sections can't be categorised, only entire articles. It's usual to categories the whole article even if the category only applies to one section. --ais523 11:36, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, you can categorise a redirect; place the category on the same line as the #REDIRECT line, after the link to the target article. It's probably best to categorise both the article and the redirect in this situation. --ais523 12:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Thank you, Sticks. And it reminds me that I should get back to SOO instead of trawling through category lists! Cheers! ~ Florrie • talk • 15:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The trenches

Just saw your trench caption! I shall return to SoO players asap - I wandered off on other RL entries. Fabulous work on the origin series, btw! ~ Florrie • talk • 13:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bare bones

I'm happy to add the bare bones and leave you to flesh it out later on. Can't wait to see 1983 done - so many of the new pages recently have been players in the '83 series! ~ Florrie • talk • 09:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ted Goodwin

I discovered today that Ted Goodwin didn't have an article, which was a bit of worry, so I've quickly done up a stub. I know there's plenty to say about Ted, but I can't find a lot of factual reference. Do you have anything? ~ Florrie • talk • 13:16, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] David Waite

Sort of a St. George related request...do you have any detail on David Waite's playing career? I've got the basic stuff but I'd like to know what happened when he left the Sharks in '75 and moved to the Magpies in '78. I know he eventually retired in '78 due to injury but don't what it involved or if the two hyear absence was related to injury. Also, from my own memory, Waite was co-coach with Andrew Farrar in '99-'00 but I can't find anything really definitive on this. Was it an equal role? Or was Waite more head coach than Farrar? [2] The History of St. George fansite mentions them equally, but I wondered if it was in print somewhere. I've added an infobox to David Waite and attempted to expand the text but I know it could be much better/more detailed. Thanks in advance. ~ Florrie • talk • 03:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Cheers! I've just found a 1992 edition of Malcolm Andrew's ABC of Rugby League on my bookshelf but it doesn't have anything on David Waite. Nifty find though for other stuff. Enjoy your travels. ~ Florrie • talk • 01:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not quite finished

Joel checked back as I found the numbers didn't balance and we discovered another three players to do! I'll probably do them today. Slightly related - I was dismabigging NSW (the state) and NSW (the team) yesterday and found on a few occasions that the state was linked to instead of the team. With the pre-1980 NSW reps, I chose to link to the team page as we will eventually have a history of the state team as well as Origin, won't we (as with the Queensland team page)? Or should they go to Rugby League State of Origin for the history there, or New South Wales Rugby League?

PS Got myself the 2007 Whiticker and Hudson Players Encyclopedia, so won't have to ask so many player questions, I hope!~ Florrie • talk • 23:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help regarding template

Although I know enough about them to get by, I'm not really a template expert. Talk to User:Grcampbell, he has worked on that template and knows what he is doing. Any problems let me know! - Shudde talk 19:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure about Rugby league in New Zealand because they just scrapped the Bartercard Cup last year, which was the premier domestic competition here. I don't know if state/rep is best, but if you find a situation where it doesn't work you can always change it. If you look at the rugby union part of the template you'll see there are lots of different possible fields to encompass all the different types of teams, such as amateur club, provincial, professional club and Super 14 franchises. It can get quite complicated. Fortunately for rugby league there are really only two professional competitions which should simplify it. - Shudde talk 04:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] St. Joseph's College, Hunters Hill

Hey Sticks66, I didn't think it looked much like Joey's either, but the State Library of New South Wales has "St Joseph's School, Hunters Hill" in the image description (Here) so I assumed they knew better than me. Feel free to remove the image from the article if you are certain it's not of Joey's. Cheers! Loopla (talk) 05:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lord Ted

Looks much better! I don't recall what official role he had with the Western Reds, but I know he was doing some regional promotional/education work with them in, I think, 1996 as he ran a flag rugby session at the local primary school. If I can find a source I'll add it to the article. •Florrie•leave a note• 08:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Or not. [3] About half-way down the page. Apparently he was sacked by the WARL for giving a team of under-17's a beer each after the game! I'll follow it up and see if there is anything at highbeam. Poor Ted. •Florrie•leave a note• 09:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I can't find one news report verifying it, so I guess it will have to slide. I don't suppose you can mention his contributions to WA rugby league without mentioning his leaving? •Florrie•leave a note• 09:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Signature box

At the minute it has to be copied and pasted for every message I leave, I've not yet found a shortcut that does it straight away.Londo06 17:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Just pop it in your signature box in your preferences and it's automatic. Here you are - A St George version! Sticks66 •Florrie•leave a note• 02:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Hang on, I'll have a look. •Florrie•leave a note• 12:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
You've left off the closing span and small. Here's the nowiki - Copy and paste it -
<small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sticks66|<font style="color:black;background:white;">'''Sticks'''</font>]][[User talk:Sticks66|<font style="color:white;background:red;">'''66'''</font>]]</span></small>
And yes, tick Raw signature. See how that goes. •Florrie•[[User talk:Florrieffleave a note]]• 12:10, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
This is me trying your sig...Sticks66 12:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC) (Florrie) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Florrie (talk • contribs) - that worked. To experiment with the colours just set up a sandbox page and switch the 'color' and 'background' names to the colours you want. There's an article on Web colors. •Florrie•leave a note• 12:19, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Good to see

Ah, I'd love to take credit for 1934, but you'll have to give it to 124.183.246.155 for writing the thing. I'm more than happy to write and copyedit reports, but I haven't got too many hard-copy resources to refer to. I'll have a look at the list you referred me to and I'll see what else I can do. Cheers, mdmanser (talk) 09:25, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 100 Years

Lovely set of books. Add it to your birthday wish-list. Not a huge amount in the way of facts and figures but there's season records, grand final team lists, international scores/scorers, state of origin/interstate etc. Lots of anecdotal material from reports of the day. There's around 8 pages per year for 1967-2007 and 4 to 6 pages a year for 1908-1966. Great pics, too. •Florrie•leave a note• 11:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Lynch (rugby league)

Sticks, just to clarify something important with you - it wasn't until at least that 1960s that clubs adopted the team nicknames/mascots that they still use today. If anything, Eastern Suburbs had the nickname of the "Tricolours", not the Roosters. This isn't a major issue as the vast majority of readers won't even know this fact and will perhaps have an even greater understanding of the subject if we use current nicknames for the early teams, but to be factually accurate I think we should stick with original clubs names until at least the 1970s or 1980s just to play it safe. This may even be a topic worth putting up for discussion on the project talk page. Anyway, thanks very much for the other good edits on the Jack Lynch article. mdmanser (talk) 12:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Thanks for the fix

All fixed up now. You just had to insert the "Wikipedia" bit at the front. mdmanser (talk) 10:43, 21 February 2008 (UTC)