Talk:Steven Stayner

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Contents 1 Fair use rationale for Image:I-know-my-first-name-is-steven.jpg 2 Links to paedophilia in literature / films 3 NPOV 4 re Weasel words

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:I-know-my-first-name-is-steven.jpg

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[edit] Links to paedophilia in literature / films

This is not a suitable article for such links - I have deleted them: people who want / need to find such references know what search terms to use without the need to link to them from a biography of child abuse victim.SouthernElectric 12:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

that may be your point of view, but is not Wikipedia policy. Tony 12:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)Tony

Then you can put your name to their reinstatement, I'm not suggesting that such works are deleted from WP, just that reference is deleted from this article.

Please cite the relevant Wikipedia policy please.SouthernElectric 13:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I still can't see the rational for including these Wikipedia links, it's a true crime and only incidentally relevant to either literature or films, by all means link to the subject of Pedophilia so that people can learn about the issues & from were the same links to the literature or films will be advailible. (SouthernElectric 21:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC))

[edit] NPOV

I think it's very important here to keep a neutral point of view. We should remember to write formally, rather than emotively - this might affect whether (or not, as I think) we decide to use Sayner's first name, but not Parnell's.

I've slightly changed "Kenneth Parnell's prison sentence for the abductions of Steven and Timmy was considerably less than the seven years he had kept Steven prisoner.". I think that that's slightly biased in favour of suggesting that Parnell should be given a 'harsh' (for want of a better word) sentence. If someone could replace it with the actual length of the sentence, I would appreciate it.

Many thanks, Drum guy (talk) 22:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, that would be why Californian state law was changed afterwards (to allow a longer sentences should similar cases ever go before the courts), the fact that Mr Parnell's sentence was considered correct for the crime he committed... SouthernElectric (talk) 23:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re Weasel words

• re this edit

Not weasel words really, unless wiki expects lists of witness/involved names (which might then throw up other issues about living persons), the mere fact that Edward Ervin Murphy was offered legal assistance - see page 226 of the often cited book - by his employer (the Curry company in Yosemite) at the time of his arrest suggests that many (un-nameable) people did consider him to be as much a victim of Mr Parnell's crimes as Steven, Timmy and the others. SouthernElectric (talk) 11:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC) Edited @ 13:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)