Talk:Stetson

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Contents 1 Page title 2 Nothing but cowboy hats? 3 Suggesting a merge and clean-up of Stetson and John B Stetson hat company 4 Christy's of England story 5 The two accounts

[edit] Page title

Page title: moved to Stetson after the recent change to Cowboy Hat, which doesn't match the content. Charles Matthews 13:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nothing but cowboy hats?

I came here looking for a history of the Stetson hat company, not a treatise on cowboy hats. These things are not at all synonomous. My grandfather wore Stetson dress hats into the 1980s, and he certainly was no cowboy. This is the best we can do? --Tysto 02:44, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, I have a Stetson cologne and aftershave set. I'm pretty sure the company does more than just hats. Rebuttal 05:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggesting a merge and clean-up of Stetson and John B Stetson hat company

The section of the Stetson article concerning the controvery between the John B Stetson Hat Company and Christy's Hats is in need of clean up, as it contains unprofessional writing and unverifiable speculations. I propose the article be cleaned and merged with the parent article on the John B Stetson Hat Company.

Gryle 15:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christy's of England story

The Christy's of England story makes for interesting reading, but nagging problems exists with regard to historical accuracy. Put simply, can the story be verified? Many of Christy's records got destroyed during the war, because they were stored in poor, damp conditions in a cellar. What survives is in Stockport Public Library. The story raises many questions. Has anyone ever been able to verify the exact date and location of the supposed court case and viewed the details of the original court documents? Has anyone in recent times ever actually seen an original Christy's hat or its design? Did any of the Christy's cowboy hats ever find their way into museums? In the interests of historical accuracy, I believe that the story needs to be verified. At present there is a lot of heresay, but no proof.

The above text was added to the main article by BOTP • (BOTP contribs), and I moved it here --Xorkl000 23:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Is this firm of Christy's related to Christy's & Company of Witney, Oxfordshire? It was founded in 1773 by Miller Christy (1748?-1820). An obituary in The Guardian indicates that the Christy/Christie family ran it until 1980 ^[1].

The story is retailed by "Bristol History" (nasty pop-up) and looks unreliable. 86.149.172.135 (talk) 10:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

The Frampton Cotterell & District Local History Society are looking in to providing sources and references for this story. Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 16:53, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The two accounts

The author of this article implies that the two accounts of the Stetson are mutually exclusive, and therefore one is correct, when in fact this line of reasoning is obviously fallacious (enough so that it might be considered a NPOV violation). An earlier hat of the Stetson-style could have been made in England, with Stetson later devising his own design independently. Someone should come up with a source that suggests the popular Stetson account is a legend, if this claim is to be included.

The Frampton Cotterell & District Local History Society are looking in to providing sources and references for this story. If anyone has information on how to find U.S. Patent 19th Century Case-Law, it would be helpful. Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 10:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

That's good. Although irrelevant to my objection. My objection was that this new theory could not be used to disprove the Stetson legend, even if it were substantiated, as the previous, biased article suggested. Both accounts could simultaneously be true. That's all I'm sayin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.161.188.36 (talk) 22:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)