Template talk:Stargate Races

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i doubt whether the system lords and the tok'ra ought to be considered different races. 213.235.241.194

Good point. They're basically the same, genetically speaking. Problem is that the Tok'ra and the Goa'uld consider themselves different from one another, and thus would be considered more factions than anything else. However, by adding, say, a factions template, you add confusion to the Wikiuser who and another level of complexity that isn't necessary IMO. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. 21:29, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Given the title of this template is Major Races and Factions of the Stargate Universe, I think there's a lot of content that doesn't really belong. Anything that isn't considered a "major race or faction" can still viewed using Stargate groups and Stargate races categories. I won't make any changes until I recieve some input. -b 20:30, 5 August 2005 (UTC), -b 20:36, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Re'ol - These can hardly be considered a major race, since they only appear in once episode, and are referenced in only one other.
  • Harcesis - I doubt this could be considered a race or faction...and even if it could, it's hardly major.
  • Gadmeer - Same deal, one episode doesn't mean it's a major race.
  • Re'tu & Unas - Pushing it, but at least they're continued over multiple episodes.
  • Genii - Why the Genii but not the Athosians?
  • Linvers - Not so major...
  • Zatarc - "This is not a planetary species, but the designation for a member of any species who has been subjected to Goa'uld mind-control technology and subconsciously programmed to kill, with their recollection of the procedure covered by false memories." From SciFi, enough said.

Agreed. Deleting. --Peter Farago 03:49, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

The Ori aren't the Alteraans? Editing back. -b 17:03, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Template standardisation

There is an active debate on template standardisation going on the Stargate Wikiproject page. -b 19:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] tok'ra are goa'uld?

i know they dont like the fact, but they ARE!! they should be in the goa'uld row.-- Alfakim --  talk  19:33, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

So then what you are saying is that the Ancients should be in the same section as the Ori. The Tok'ra are a different faction of the Goa'uld, just as the Ori are to the Ancients. Rynknx 03:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Technically, that would follow, except that the Ancients are grouped with other members of the Alliance, which the Ori did not belong to. --Peter Farago 19:47, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] suggest removal of links

  • Re'tu
  • Re'ol
  • Aschen

These are not major factions. They each appear for a maximum of 2 episodes. Suggest removal to Alien Races template. -- Alfakim --  talk  12:57, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] minor links

I don't think this template should have links to VERY minor races such as

etc. I suggest that the standard be: the race has to have appeared in at least 3 episodes, or been talked about in at least 3, or have influenced the plot significantly. --Alfakim-- talk 15:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alt. version

I added links to character and tech articles for some of the races, not sure if they need to be included:

Alien races in the Stargate universe Edit
 Four Great Races  Ancients (chars, tech), Asgard (chars, tech), Furling, Nox
 Humans    Tau'ri (chars, tech), Tollan (tech), Aschen, Genii (chars, tech), Athosians (chars), Prior, Jaffa (chars): Sodan, Free Jaffa
 Goa'uld  Goa'uld (chars, tech), System Lords, Kull Warrior, Tok'ra (chars, tech)
 Other  Ori (tech), Replicator, Unas, Wraith (chars, tech), Iratus bug, Asurans
I like it. Implementing. --Peter Farago 23:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Five Great Races vs. Four Great Races

Please stop editing this template to include the Tau'ri among the "Five Great Races". Justification:

  • Although the Tau'ri have been recognized as a fifth great race, they are not a member of the "Alliance of Four Great Races", which has been defunct for some time.
  • There is no article for "five great races", merely a redirect to the aforesaid alliance - which, again, never included the Tau'ri while it existed.
  • The Tau'ri and other non-ancient humans have their own section in the template, and needn't be referenced twice.

I will revert any edits which add the Tau'ri or the "Alliance of Five Great Races" unless these points are rebutted in talk. --Peter Farago 22:56, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Copied from User talk:Peter Farago
You should just move the Tau'ri then to the Five Great Races and take them out of the human catagory. They were declared by Thor in the show "You Are Now The Fifth Great Race" not to mention there are a few other items wrong in that template that are wrong that I didn't change and was thinking about it at the time. Do you ever watch the show? Rynknx 03:49, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
But the alliance had ceased to exist by the time Thor made that declaration, and there's no indication that his opinion was shared by the other erstwhile members of the alliance. At the most, it ought to be considered a sort of honorary status. It remains most sensible to group the Tau'ri with other off-world human cultures. --Peter Farago 04:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
But there not off-world humansRynknx 02:03, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that Tau'ri + Offworld humans represents a natural class of unascended human cultures, while "Alliance of Four Great Races" has been clearly defined in the show's canon, and never included the Tau'ri. --Peter Farago 22:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree with the removal, and have just removed the "five great races" thing myself. The logical points you raise aside, the term "Alliance of Five Great Races" has never been used in any source, so it's a neologism. If it's to be used in Wikipedia there should be some external source to support its existence. Bryan Derksen 06:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)