Talk:Stay-behind
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I don't see the point of mergeing this article into Gladio. It's better to erase Gladio stuff in it and just keep the referenslink to it. Stay-Behind as definition has nothing todo with Gladio.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Roberth edberg (talk • contribs) .
I agree : Gladio is too big and controversal and should be kept separate. Regular military units were also intended for stay behind operations ( eg the SAS ) and this should be mentioned. Also does saty behind refer to your territory only? I would argue it implies to any unit left behind during a retreat. David J.James —The preceding unsigned comment was added by David.j.james (talk • contribs) 15:17, 5 October 2006 (UTC).
- No...but only to your question that it only refers to a country's a territory. "Stay behind" can refer to any military unit whose military duty entails performing this task if ever necessary. For example, the US military has a significant presence in Europe. If, during the Cold War, the Soviets invaded and forced a NATO retreat, chances were practically guaranteed special forces unit would be left behind to assist or manage the other stay-behinds (among the US Army Special Forces' missions is, after all, contacting and working with resistance groups in foreign countries). Shadowrun 07:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
IHT article::
One afternoon, in the midst of a monsoon, I sought out one of the founders of the pro-jihadi strategy, the retired general Mirza Aslam Beg. He lived in Rawalpindi, the military capital half an hour from Islamabad, in a brick and tile-roofed mansion with a basketball hoop, flowing greenery and Judy, his one-eyed cocker spaniel. The house was immaculate, with marble floors, rugs, fine china and porcelain on display behind glass and an amusing portrait of Aslam Beg as a young, Ray-Banned, pommaded officer. His mansion sits across the street from Musharraf's.
Aslam Beg played a leading role in the military's creation of "asymmetrical assets," jargon for the jihadis who have long been used by the military as proxies in Kashmir and Afghanistan. He was chief of the army staff from 1988 to 1991, while the Pakistani nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan was selling the country's nuclear technology to Iran, Libya and North Korea. Beg held talks with the Iranians about exchanging Iranian oil for Pakistani nuclear skill.
Aslam Beg likes to remind visitors that he was one of a group of army officers trained by the C.I.A. in the 1950's as a "stay-behind organization" that would melt into the population if ever the Soviet Union overran Pakistan. Those brigadiers and lieutenant colonels then trained and directed the Afghan jihadis.
In the 1980's, "the C.I.A. set up the largest support and administrative bases in Mohmand agency, Waziristan and Baluchistan," Aslam Beg told me. "These were the logistics bases for eight long years, and you can imagine the relations that developed. And then Chechens, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Saudis developed family relations with the local people." The Taliban, he said, fell back after 2001 to these baselines. "In 2003, when the U.S. attacked Iraq, a whole new dimension was added to the conflict. The foreign mujahedeen who'd fought in Afghanistan started moving back to Afghanistan and Iraq." And the old Afghan jihadi leaders stopped by the mansion of their mentor, Aslam Beg, to tell him they were planning to wage war against the American occupiers.
In the Land of the Taliban International Herald Tribune website http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/22/asia/web.1022taliban.php accessed on 2006-10-26
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.73.35.102 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC).
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[edit] Iraq?
Wasn't Hussein supposed to have a stay behind army? Feyadeen or something? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.142.141.195 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC).
[edit] merge
There is nothing in this article that cannot be discussed in the "Operation Gladio" article. Intangible 10:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Operation Gladio is just one of many stay-behind operations in history. Why should this article be merged into it? It'd be like merging narcotics into morphine - just plain silly. I strongly oppose the proposed merge. — ceejayoz talk 04:54, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose per Ceejayoz. Tazmaniacs 14:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Forgive the reference, but it's like merging the entire subject of "sexually-transmitted diseases" under the entry AIDS. Shadowrun 07:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
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This article is lacking proper sources, and includes the same exceptional claims that are also scattered around in other Wikipedia articles. Ganser is a conspiracy nut, who also founded Scholars for 9/11 Truth. Intangible2.0 18:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- Please don't mix up stuff Intangible, and don't jump up saying "Ganser founded Scholars for whatever" when a short time ago you claimed "Ganser is a member of Scholars whatever" and that anyhow, all of the Ganser stuff in this article is not related to 9/11. We are not talking about 9/11 here, and we're quite tired about it! — or are you in fact trying to attract attention to 9/11 conspiracy theories? Don't tell me, nothing like arguing about how heavy the towers were! Tazmaniacs 00:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
- Then see the quote I provided from Philip Davies re Ganser on Talk:Operation Gladio. But when Ganser starts writing book chapters for Olive Branch Press, redacted by David Ray Griffin, then whom am I to second guess Ganser's work. Intangible2.0 02:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
- This is guilt from association. Ganser's work on Gladio is to be judged on piece, and if you did read the book, you can see from where the references come. If you ever find a more comprehensive book on Gladio, I'll be glad to hear about it! Tazmaniacs 14:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 10th Special Forces Group (Bad Tölz, Germany) Mission
The first deployed United States Army Special Forces group was assigned to Germany, was intended both to have stay-behind operations, as well as having sub-units fall back with retreating NATO forces and then penetrate. They also had a capability to run missions into the Warsaw Pact countries.
While they certainly worked with CIA, they were a regular military formation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hcberkowitz (talk • contribs) 04:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
