Talk:Stars and Stripes Forever

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Contents 1 Disambiguation 2 US National Anthem debate 3 Tempo? 4 Requested move

[edit] Disambiguation

This needs disambiguation because of the novel Stars and Stripes Forever by Harry Harrison. Fatfingers 02:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Good idea, I'm on it. --NicAgent 02:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] US National Anthem debate

Was there at some point in history that this song was nominated to replace the Star Spangled Banner? --ConradKilroy 03:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I believe in the 1930s, at the time Congress was debating about selecting a national anthem, there was some talk of using this march. There had not been an official anthem until that time. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 16:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

It is currently the Official march of the United States Counterfit 19:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tempo?

In his liner notes for the "Footlifters" album from the mid-1970s, Gunther Schuller says that Sousa preferred the French "quick-step" tempo for this march (& maybe others too?). I think it sounds very nice that way and wish more people would do it at that speed, pace Horowitz. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 16:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The original band parts penned by Sousa are part of the John Philip Sousa collection housed at UIUC and do not contain the word 'The' in the title. Therefore, I propose that the article be renamed to simply Stars and Stripes Forever (march) with The Stars and Stripes Forever (march) redirecting to the article. Comments should be made here on the article talk page. -- Upholder 23:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

• There is no need for any disambiguation in the title as this would currently be the only article named "Stars and Stripes Forever", so if it is moved, it should be moved to Stars and Stripes Forever. If any other "Stars and Stripes Forever" articles are created then this will probably remain the primary use, so a link to Stars and Stripes Forever (disambiguation) from this article (as already exists) will be OK. Masaruemoto 22:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

• I support Masaruemoto's idea E.G. 05:37, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

• I updated the request on the Wikipedia:Requested moves page. I attempted to do this move myself following the directions at m:Help:Moving a page but was unable to do so because the redirect existed.. I then tried to move the redirect out of the way and it left a new redirect.. so when the admin moves this page, please cleanup Stars and Stripes Forever (old redirect) that is a result of my mistake. -- Upholder 17:51, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

This article has been renamed from The Stars and Stripes Forever (march) to Stars and Stripes Forever as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 05:39, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• In the original band parts, that may be, but on Sousa's original piano manuscript (which he and his publisher's used to adapt the band parts), the article "THE" is clearly in the title. This can be viewed in "The Works of John Philip Sousa" by Paul Bierley. Bierley himself wrote the title as "The Stars and Stripes Forever". This is also the way it is written in most band arrangements as well. Just look on JW Pepper. So keep it as you wish, but just know that the modest three-lettered word does in fact belong there. SousaFan88 05:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)