Talk:Stanley Cup/archive1

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Contents 1 Hi there! 2 Duplicate Cups 3 Series vs. Trophy 4 Cup Rings 5 Brawl 6 Stanley Cup Today 7 play-off 8 Playoff ceremony 9 Photo

[edit] Hi there!

Can somebody explain the 1927 Games numbers 2-0-2 ?? / 82.182.115.84 17:24, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

During that time, unlike today, tied games may not have been decided with a sudden-death overtime. Before the advent of sudden-death overtime, ties were resolved with full overtimes (this explains one incident where one team scored three goals in overtime in a 5-2 victory) or were not resolved at all (one game in the abandoned Stanley Cup Finals series was a tie). There could also be the case where it was a sudden-death overtime, but the game was abandoned for other reasons. The true cause still eludes me... kelvSYC 17:33, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! So the game was tied in 1927? :) 82.182.115.84 04:00, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I would assume 2 games were tied given the 2-0-2 standings. Remember that back then, they didn't have giant refridgeration units to maintain the ice nor even Zambonis. Much of the time games would end due to environmental reasons and what ever the score was at the time, that was the final outcome. Abmoraz 21:18, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps 82.182.115.84 is from Europe where the convention is Wins-Ties-Losses, as opposed to North America where it's Wins-Losses-Ties (or the ever confusing W-L-T-OTL-SOL-...whatever else they think of next). Anyway, the original writer was probably North American and meant 2 wins and 2 ties. --Grmagne 19:15, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

The actual facts in the 1927 series was that the two tied games (as happened with a number of overtime games in NHL history) were called due to curfew laws in both Boston and Ottawa. RGTraynor 03:54, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate Cups

Maybe I'm wrong, which is why I didn't edit, but if anyone can back me up - I remember very clearly reading somewhere that the real Cup is the one presented to the team (I'm very sure about this one, besides, it would be common sense that the winners get the real thing), one duplicate is displayed in the Hall of Fame and used for public displays and promotions, the other duplicate is kept in a vault. --Legalizeit 13:45, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I don't know about the second duplicate in the vault, but according to this [NHL.com - The Stanley Cup] you are correct, the original gets presented to the team (at least at the Finals), and a duplicate (that doesn't have spelling mistakes) is in the hall of fame. Mtruch 14:03, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Over the years the bowl and top rings have been replaced, and they are in a locked vault in the HHOF. So it's really three-and-a-bit. kelvSYC 06:50, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Series vs. Trophy

This really seems to be two different articles, one on the Stanley Cup series and one on the trophy itself. My thought is that the article should be split as such, perhaps into Stanley Cup finals and Stanley Cup (trophy); any comments or concerns? Jgm 18:29, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Stanley Cup finals, although today is synonymous with the NHL's final series, is (on a technicality) unaffiliated with the NHL. The trustees of the Cup decide who gets to play for the Cup, and typically it's between the two NHL conference champions in the modern days. kelvSYC 21:28, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That's fascinating, can you add that information to the article? Jgm 00:51, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Isn't that the subject of debate (not to mention at the heart of current legal proceedings?) - Cafemusique 01:18, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The trustees have sole control of who gets to play for the Cup - it's firmly established as fact. The question regarding the current legal proceedings is that should the Cup be open to challenge by any other league (as technically, the Cup is still a challenge trophy)? Are the trustees essentially legally bound to award the Cup to the NHL and refuse all other challengers? Previous such arguments in the 60s (with leagues in California - not an NHL market at the time - wanting to go major league) and the 70s (with the WHA and the influence of international hockey) favored the NHL, but some say that with the negative effects of the lockout, things might not go the NHL's way anymore. kelvSYC 04:13, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cup Rings

I think the part about the player with the most stanley cup rings should be reworded, since teams didn't always give out rings in the earlier days.Also, I believe when the Canadiens first gave them out, they would add to the existing ring each year for players who already had a ring (ie add more diamonds or something). I'm not 100% sure about this which is why I didn't edit, but I am fairly sure about at least the first part

I've heard the same thing about the Canadiens adding diamonds to the same ring each time a player won a cup Priester 04:19, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brawl

The bit about the Stanley Cup brawl is incomplete. One guy punching a referee is serious, but not a brawl. I read once that this event resulted in benches clearing. Anyone got an old book that says more?

I'm not sure this event is worthy of note, and I recommend deletion. Besides which, there have been other players banned for life in the NHL, namely Don Gallinger and Billy Taylor, both for gambling. Hoghee 20:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The event is worthy of noting, as it is a rare occurence during the Stanley Cup finals. It also lead to the adoption of new arena security policies. Flibirigit 04:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Should "rare" occurences comprise general encyclopedia articles? Perhaps it should be in included instead in an article on "violence in the NHL", not the Stanley Cup. As far as I know, it had no effect on any policies relating to Cup play, though I am interested in your source that it affected "arena security policies." Hoghee 19:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stanley Cup Today

Henri Richard was not "The Rocket". That nickname belongs to his older brother, the late Maurice Richard who was legendary for his offensive hockey skill. As for Henri, he was usually referred to in the english-language media as "the Pocket Rocket". http://www.hhof.com/html/exSCJ_15.shtml

Thanks for your correction! -- user:zanimum

[edit] play-off

I think there could be described in this article how the play-off is organized - the number of teams taking part in it, who plays who in which round, how many games are played and so on. Jan.Kamenicek 21:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Playoff ceremony

I'm not sure how to say this, but shouldn't we put a picture of a team (any team, or maybe just a player we can all think about), holding the standley cup after winning the playoffs? Wouln't that be a good pic, and we could put if for nomination for the pictures! :) paat 22:04, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Sure, if you can find a non-copyrighted or otherwise PD pic. RGTraynor 00:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

What's PD? paat 00:24, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

public domain, basically no copyright. -- JamesTeterenko 02:19, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Uhm, how do I find whats the copyright if there is one or not? paat 02:30, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

If you are grabbing it from another website, look for copyright information on that website. As a warning, most good pictures of athletes available on the web are under copyright and not suitable for Wikipedia. For some sources of free pictures, check out Wikipedia:Public domain image resources. -- JamesTeterenko 02:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo

I think it would be appropriate if there were a picture of the current Stanley Cup, not just the original one. If anyone has a usable one, please upload it. Patrick 05:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be appropriate if busybodies didn't delete every pic out, too. RGTraynor 14:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)