Talk:St. Helens, Oregon

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Hey I would like to see your original document. I live here and love the town, hate the meth labs! I drive to Potland to work every day. Thanks!

[edit] Monumental document

Sadly, a monumental document detailing the history and dementia of St. Helens was removed recently because some reader couldn't handle the truth..—This unsigned comment was added by 207.224.179.66 (talk • contribs) 19:51, 28 March 2006.

Or more likely, it was removed because it wasn't part of a discussion about changes to the article on St. Helens, Oregon, which is what this talk page should contain. Feel free to update the article itself, keeping in mind the usual policies followed by wikipedians such as Neutral point of view and Verifiability. Thanks, 66.167.253.246 20:49, 28 March 2006 (UTC).

As the original writer of the document being discussed, it was based on my own experiences and particular view of the history and current state of this city. However, I had backed up my views with links to additional articles and websites that supported these ideas and views What I had hoped for was a DISCUSSION with persons such as you, both pro and con, that would have been enlightening and hopefully enjoyable. Erasing my work, without any discussion is at the least very sad. If that is what wikipedia is about, then it is not a forum for free discussion, but just another tightly controlled means to disseminate sanitized and politically correct information. I would welcome your response and further discussion. thanks!

The economic and political history of this town was verified and the data objective. St. Helens has a long history of not moving forward economically. The only substantive industry is the papermill. The area is plagued with clandestine meth labs. Does Wikipedia discourage the airing of such observations?

I believe that the purpose of Wikipedia was foiled upon deletion of this information. Data is data, and the economic situation in this area is desparate. Shame on you Wikipedia!

I wouldn't agree that the papermill is the only substantive industry. the city got its start because it was a good place to tie up ships with mininmal need to dredge or build dock because solid rock went nearly to deep water. When the roads from the Tualitan Valley ended up going to Portland instead of St. Helens (there is still no road from St. Helens Forest Grove), st. helens was marginalized and Portland became the trading center confirmed by being the terminus of 3 transcontinental railroads.

After that it was a fishing village centered around a Cannery at the foot of st. Helens Street which died when there were no more fish.----hardly the town's fault. From the Dawn of the 20th century Wood products have been the dominant industry. Various wood products facilities have operated in the town for over a century now.

That which made a good port in 1840 certainly isn't and never will be a good port in the 21'st century. During the brief span of history over a century ago St. Helens was on the mail line rail road---but it became a branch line when the major railroad bridges in Portland were built and the ferry at Goble closed.

Towns thrive and grow when they have a good combination of the following factors:

  1) Within 2 hours of a major airport
  2) Have good deep water port facilities
  3) Have main line rail service---profoundly if from multiple railroads.
  4) Are within 15 minutes of an interstate highway
  5) Have political clout  --- can bring home the bacon  --- or government offices/facilities
  6) Home to an significant university
  7) have geological features making it a unique place   (tourists)
  8) Have historically been 'the place to go'.
  9) Are at a transportation 'cross roads'.
  10) Have space.

A town built on a dead end street (and st. Helens is) simply need not apply.Rvannatta 05:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect

I'm curious about why St. Helens, Oregon redirects to Saint Helens, Oregon and not the other way around. Doesn't the city call itself "St. Helens"? Katr67 16:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I went ahead and changed the redirect at some point. If this was inappropriate, please let me know. Katr67 16:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)