Talk:Sports-related curses

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Contents 1 Buffalo Sports Curse Merge Discussion 2 new curse? 3 Not so many citations needed 4 2007 Ohio Sports Curse? Maybe not 5 Breaking the Curse Without Breaking the Curse 6 Lombardi Limitation Wrong 7 Remove Curse of Detroit 8 Possible Explanation for Seattle Curse 9 Tampa Bay Curse (Lightning)

[edit] Buffalo Sports Curse Merge Discussion

Comment, I'm indifferent to merging or keeping, but most of the other "curses" on the sports-related curses article have their own main article. If we were to by guided by that precedent at all, it would lead me to a weak keep. --Cjs56 14:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] new curse?

if you follow the wwe, you can now that the lastest world heavyweight champions, had been injured time after won the belt, should be added that to the list of the curses?

no, Key word in Title SPORTS-related curses, not fake sports entertainment championship curses

[edit] Not so many citations needed

I don't think citations are needed in cases where the citation could be "look up the stats." For example, the Tampa Bay curse has "citation needed" 3 times. One does not need to cite something else that gives the facts of teams having lost to Tampa Bay. It's a compiled fact, not a piece of research. Any one with common sense can choose to verify it by checking results of past games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.227.129.47 (talk) 19:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2007 Ohio Sports Curse? Maybe not

After the Columbus Destroyers lost to the San Jose Sabercats in the Arena Bowl, a student writer in one of the Ohio State campus newspapers suggested a few reasons why four straight Ohio-based teams, both collegiate and professional, reached the final in their respective sports, only to fail to win the final, ending up number two. Among the scapegoats were the 2004 election and fallen former Ohio State running back Maurice Clarett. Now with the Tribe having lost to the Red Sox, the "curse" might have extended, but then again, since football seasons are labeled by the starting year, we have yet to determine the fate of the 2007-2008 Buckeyes (Wisconsin, Illinois, and Michigan will be tough). This curse is somewhat tied into the Cleveland sports drought, as two of the teams involved in this "curse", the Cavaliers and Indians, are in Cleveland.

I personally do not believe in real curses. As Manny Ramirez said after winning the 2004 World Series MVP, you make your own destiny. The first of the second place/runner-up finishes was the only shocker because of the great expectations of the Troy Smith-led Buckeyes and the completely lopsided result. (I personnally think Big Ten and SEC teams should really play each other more often in the regular season.) The NCAA Basketball Final Two was as big a deal because the same schools faced each other (Florida and Ohio State), but this time, the Buckeyes were the underdog because Florida was the defending champion (those basketball Gators certainly had a chance at a three-peat if all could have stayed, but good luck to those players now). After that, the Cavaliers (versus the Spurs, whom even the 2005 Pistons couldn't beat) and Destroyers (totally a Cinderella story, but the Sabercats were like the Spurs in their league) were total underdogs.

However, there will still be some who would add this jinx here, but if it lasts only one year, then it is not too worth mentioning. Of course, if one of these teams acts like the ninties Bills...

DaDoc540 20:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Breaking the Curse Without Breaking the Curse

I have an issue with the notion of breaking a curse. For example, "The Curse of the Black Sox was a superstition or scapegoat cited as a reason for the failure of the Chicago White Sox to win the World Series from 1917 until 2005. It was finally broken when the White Sox won the World Series in 2005." No. If you have an outside event, in this case the Black Sox scandal, that imposes a curse of a World Series drought, then you would have to have an outside event intervene in order to lift the curse. If, for example, baseball lifted the expulsions of the Black Sox, and the White Sox won the Series after that, that makes sense. In other words, if opening a door represents winning the World Series and the Black Sox scandal represents locking the door, then how did the 2005 White Sox open the door without unlocking it? You have to remove the curse before you can do the thing that the curse prevents you from doing. If the Black Sox prevented the White Sox from winning all those years, then how did they win without doing anything to the Black Sox? They didn't; they lost all those years all by themselves. I'm not picking on who added the White Sox Curse to the list; this goes for the 1940 New York Rangers too. I just added the Curse of Nolan Ryan to the article, so if there really is such a curse the Mets would have to hire Ryan as a pitching coach or something like that before they have their first no-hitter.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not pooh-poohing the notion of a sports curse. I would say that the Red Sox broke their curse not by winning the World Series (if the curse is that you don't win the Series, you have to break the curse before you win the Series), but by making the Yankees, the team at the heart of the Curse of the Bambino, the first baseball team ever to blow a 3-0 lead in a seven game series. Jimpoz (talk) 19:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lombardi Limitation Wrong

I can think on the top of my head that the steelers chuck Null and the Patriots Bill Belichick have one twice in arrow so obviously its not a curse or limitation —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.137.117.166 (talk) 04:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Remove Curse of Detroit

Since Anaheim won the 2007 Stanley Cup, there is no need to keep the Curse of Detroit, unless there's a valid reason...--24.78.101.193 (talk) 00:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Explanation for Seattle Curse

Not gonna do any digging to back it up, though anyone who's lived in Seattle can verify that the climate of 'heavily overcast most of the year' isn't very conducive to some sports. Noting that the NBA holds their Final Four in March (tail end of the gloomier skies) while the NFL season starts in Fall, aka when the clouds start showing up in the calendar year in Seattle. As this is just discussion I'm just throwing this out there for it.

68.98.76.217 (talk) 03:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tampa Bay Curse (Lightning)

It should be noted that according to NHL records, Tampa Bay did not technically endure four consecutive 50 loss seasons. When the NHL made the change to start counting overtime losses (OTLs) separate, the change was made retroactive to I believe the previous year. As a result, all of the games the Lightning lost in overtime that year were converted to OTLs, bringing their straight loss total to below 50 games and absolved them of that dubious mark. It's a stupid technicality, but it should be noted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.77.226.249 (talk) 19:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)