Talk:Spirit possession
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[edit] Dune has spiritual possession?
Does the Dune series contain any spiritual possession? The existence of "spirits" is never mentioned of in the series, except by the Fremen in some cases. The state when someone who is an "Abomination" refers to being possessed by an ancestor, the memories in this case pass through the cells of the person in question, not through any "spirits".--Darthanakin 10:05, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] I wonder whether...
I wonder whether the external link to http://spcdc.saint-mike.org/help.asp is appropriate. Look likes a scam or the like to me. --Edcolins 12:31, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
- I've contacted the monk who runs the non-profit group and it is not a scam. Dwain July 6, 2005 03:10 (UTC)
[edit] Science, encyclopedic?
qouting:
- "Science does recognize that "possession" exists, but only in the sense that some people occasionally behave in a way that fits the expected behavior of a possessed people. However, in spite of many attempts, it has not been able to find any reproducible proof of the existence of "spiritual beings"; therefore, it finds much easier to explain such altered mental state by natural causes"
"Science" is being refered to as a person in this paragraph. Apart from the linguistic issue, I mean, what is the paragraph trying to state? Who's claiming the claims? The 'majority' of scientics? A certain conference? There truely seems to be some entity here, "it has not been able to find" etc, who is this entity? what is it trying to prove or disprove?
[edit] Merge and re-direct of channeling to this page is incorrect
I strongly disagree with the merge between channeling and spiritual possession. They are very distinct subjects. Andries 17:44, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
- I agree channeling (or chanelling, two L's?) is different to spiritual possession. They are both connected to the Divine, but the first, for example, can take the form writing for the Spirit and the second can take the form of being possessed by a spirit for a short time frame, whether that be a deceased love one, Abraham, Jesus etc etc --nirvana2013 18:41, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Merge and re-direct of channeling to this page is incorrect
I agree entirely with the above comment and am concerned to see a primarily Judeo-Christian stance adopted that defies even an anthropological point of view. It is an uncomfortable partnering. Chanelling may actually be the same or similar mechanism as spiritual possession but terminologically is used for different circumstances. Generally, but not always, channeling is benign and can also be purely of impersonal vibrations rather than personal manifestations
But"" should there not be some connection / redirection / merge with the article on Channelling / Channeling (mediumistic)?
User:unregistered 4:57, 1 November 2005 (GMT).
[edit] Large edit was aimed at grammar, style, form issues.
Yeah, I like to edit grammar in my spare time.
It was not my intention to tilt the POV (or NPOV) of the article one way or another.
After my edit, I think the last three paragraphs of the first section are basically just trivia. They are on the subject, but I don't think they are essential. I will leave it for someone else to delete them or not, since I don't like to simply remove things without a trace.
Thanks.
Much of what has been said about denomic possession is only skimming the surface on a scientific point of view. it is explained much more logically and clearly in Dr M. Scott Pecks book people of the Lie: The Hope Of Healing. i would like to add some of he's theorys later when i ahve finished my research.
I edited some of the text to remove repetitive nomenclature. I also added some refs. TimRey 17:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC) I took the liberty of adding the reference to M. Scott Peck to the main text since it is the principle “scientific” support for the notion of spirit possession. TimRey 17:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] HELP!
This page needs a bit of work done on it. The definition of this entry needs more (credible) resources and clarity brought to it. Above all, the term "Spiritual" needs to be somewhat defined. Which I do not think anyone can truly state what that is.
The Halloween depiction of ghosts and goblins needs to be removed. Though, as the Exorcist is referenced, the movie does show possession in its most rigid sense - involuntary.
Also, voluntary communication with spirits occurs at a few levels. Channeling is not possession. Possession is dominance over an individual. Channeling is a mutual act.
I will come back to this later...
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We can distinguish between “channeling” when the medium is merely conveying information being received in thoughts or feelings, versus “trance channeling” when the personality of the spirit largely or completely takes over the body of the medium (displacing the personality of the medium). The latter is temporary possession. TimRey 17:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Possession in many cultures is entirely voluntary, especially in shamanic religions. ---MRD
[edit] Spirit possession in "Abrahamic religions"
Judaism, being the oldest of the Abrahamic faiths, believe in possitive spirit possession of various types. While 'possession' by Ruach HaKodesh or Sar HaTorah is written about in various texts, true spirit possession by human souls in beneficial ways exists in Judaism. The class of spirit possessors known as Ibburim fit this bill. They are the souls of Tzaddikim, most often, who possess an individual to teach them. There is also the case of the Maggidim, who are angelic teachers and have been argued to be a form of possession at times. And finally there is the case of the Leverite Marriage, of which it is believed by some that the spirit of the deceased husband enters his brother during this act. Reference Between Worlds by Chajes for more information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.211.20.134 (talk) 05:00, 10 April 2007 (UTC).
[edit] This page pretends that spirit possession actually exists.
Possession cases have no proof in science. They are part of belief systems that contradict science.
VisionAndPsychosis.Net has proposed that Subliminal Distraction is the source of dissociative mental events that are perceived as possession.
L K Tucker 72.152.19.162 05:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
http://VisionAndPsychosis.Net http://visionandpsychosis.net/Demon_Spirit_Possession.htm
This page dosn't validate or invalidate spirit possesion, rather just show what the beliefs are and how they manifest in popular culture. for many people spirit possession is real, just like for many people the cosmic crunch is real.Coffeepusher (talk) 16:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Rewrite
I think this page does need a rewrite. That's not because of what is written, but because it has no sources. I'm going to go through soon and take out the uncited stuff, and people can put anything back they wish with a source. Though there are sources at the end of the article, they need to be matched to the text, with page numbers if the text is to be kept.
Some of the things in here are also rather POV, such as the lead which calls it supernatural and superstition without a citation.
Alternately, I can put citation requests, but the result will probably be the same in the end. It's better to start fresh. There are plenty of sources around. ——Martinphi (Talk Ψ Contribs) 07:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I took out nearly everything which was uncited. The article can be restored, but the sources should be matched to the text when this is done. ——Martinphi (Talk Ψ Contribs) 03:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Other references to spiritual possession in video gaming.
There were other games that used the art of possession even before Geist. The most notable of them was Messiah, a PC game by Shiny where you control a little cherub sent by God to earth who was ble to possess living creatures in order to stop Satan himself. There's also Omikron: The Nomad Soul which is more geared towards reincarnation but a possession spell can be obtained.
The oldest game that I know of to use the concept was Jaleco's arcade game Avenging Spirit/Phantasm released in 1991. In it the protagonist is killed by a wruthless gang and kidnapped his girlfriend. His girlfriend's father who was a scientist invented a machine and brought you back as a ghost. You had the abilty of possession to try to stop the gang and save your girlfriend.--Mgbenz (talk) 02:51, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Spirit possession in other cultures?
It would be nice to see a mention in this article of spirit possession in other cultures, religions, etc. The one that comes to mind is voudou, in which possession by a loa (really a god, not a spirit) is an important aspect of religious practice.
Or is possession by a god the same thing as possession by a spirit? God-possession is an ancient belief as well - there's even an old Germanic word for it, gudigaz (an etymological ancestor to "giddy").
- Prestonmarkstone (talk) 15:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
