Talk:Speed skating (disambiguation)

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How fast do speed skaters skate? (mph?)

do the math with this article List of Speed Skating records. Boneyard 09:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] List of speed skaters

Those lists of speed skaters are silly. What is the criteria for inclusion? If I have a go at speed skating, can I put my own name in there? There should just be a category for speed skaters, and a link to that category.

As for speed, it looks like the top skaters get over 30mph. Someone with more motivation than me should probably put that in the article. --220.111.76.235 12:12, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

of course it is meant for actual profesional speed skaters, but as mentioned it is indeed hard to judge if all that are on it in fact are that and it's an easy vandalized section. a category or such would work and exists for different contries like dutch speed skaters and such. Boneyard 13:13, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
There actually is a category for it: [Category:Speed skaters]. And although it is nice to have a list of speed skaters (recently broken out into its own List of speed skaters article), it is indeed easily vandalised and HAS already been vandalised several times. In fact, ANY list is a likely candidate for vandalism, which makes categories more desirable. Rather than having a list of speed skaters, I'd rather see the [List of speed skaters] article removed and have a link to [Category:Speed skaters] added. Even more so since the List of speed skaters article is pretty much a duplication of that category. wjmt 01:28, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speed Skating vs. Ice speed skating

speed skating is somewhat ambiguous isn't it? I'm not really sure how to split everything out into pages with disambiguation links The DJ 18:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

It seems to me (as an inliner) that the article is concerned almost exclusively with ice. My preference would be to rename this page as "Speed skating (ice)", the current existing "inline speed skating" page as "Speed skating (inline)" and create a disambiguation page at "Speed skating" that refers to both. This kind of disenfranchises the quad speed skaters, though (if there are any of those left ;-). My campaign HQ for skating pages rearrangement is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Roller_skating until anyone tells me different Daniel Barlow 00:35, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

The International Skating Union use the term "speed skating" excusively for what the Americans call "metric" or "olympic style" speed skating. The clue here is that in this sport, the skaters race for speed (against the clock), while in other formats (short track skating, packstyle skating) they race for positions. Also, in Europe, while ice skating has a history of several centuries, skating on wheels is a new, never televised, and not very widespread sport – so skating is almost exclusively associated with ice. So this is very much a question of chosing between the European definition of "speed skating" (as represented by the ISU) and the American one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.14.9.184 (talk) 13:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Add the following to this article

More info on the new Team Pursuit element Add something on 2x500 The DJ 18:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infoboxes

Has anyone else noticed the enormous difference between the infoboxes in the Bio's of the various speed skaters? Perhaps setting up some guidelines here might be a good idea?

We need to account for:

  • Olympic Medals {{MedalPicture}}{{MedalTop}}{{MedalSports}}{{MedalBottom}}
  • Worldchampionship Medals
  • Personal Bests {{PersonalRecordsTop}}{{PersonalRecordsSport}}{{PersonalRecordsMiddle}}{{PersonalRecordsBottom}}
  • Bio info???

I have seen tables with complete national records etc as well (see Yvonne van Gennip) How much should be listed? and where? Personally I think that the list from Yvonne for instance should be page-wide and at the bottom. It's just too much info for a sidebox. It also needs it's own templates.

Anyone have suggestions on what to do? The DJ 18:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki-Houston, we have a problem, with article overlap

The Speed skating article has too big an overlap with the Long track speed skating one (or is it vice versa). There is no easy optimal editorial strategy here. It would be easy, perhaps, if the Speed skating article were three times as long and informative as its logically smaller subset article Long track speed skating – but it's not. We might go for either (a) a nice enough merger between the two, and then gently pushing the Long track speed skating article into wiki-oblivion; or (b) making the Speed skating article substanitally broader (more on short-track, more on marathon, more on elfstedentochting, more on history, etc.) with more clear pointers to its subset articles. So, what d'you think? Slavatrudu 15:49, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Roller skating?

What is the roller skating section doing here? It is not even introduced as something separate, but that's just bad wrinting. But despite the similarity in the name, it's a totally different sport. It's rather like having a section about ice hockey in the hockey article. DirkvdM 13:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

We do have a section on ice hockey in the hockey article.
The problem is that "speed skating" as a concept could describe "going as fast as you can on any type of skate", whether it's on ice, over asphalt, with ice skates, on a small rink, whatever.
I agree that it could be split up better, though. Sam Vimes | Address me 19:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Problem here is that "roller skating", until recently, was virtually unknown in Europe, and still is very much an American sport as far as top level competitions goes. To most North Europeans, skating means skating on ice. Also, in ISU terminology as well as in the minds of European fans, "speed skating" means "skating for speed"; not "skating for positions". That means time trials, not pack style. These distinctions are alien to Americans, while some Europeans take them for granted. The result is often confusion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.14.9.184 (talk) 13:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC).
I can see the point...but we aren't only addressing those North Europeans (who don't have English as their native tongue anyway: they call it Eisschnellauf, hurtigløp på skøyter, schaatsen, pattinaggio di velocitá). Heck, even the Dutch article on "langebaanschaatsen" begins: Het langebaanschaatsen is een discipline in het hardrijden op de schaats, (which, by my not entirely trustworthy translation, reads long track speed skating is a discipline of speed skating). If even the greatest speed skating fans on the planet have split it off, it seems a bit odd that English, where about four or five different environments refer to "their" sport as speed skating, should say that one meaning has clear precedence over the others. Sam Vimes | Address me 13:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

My point was that roller skating is a derivative of skating. And skating is done on ice. At least it has been for thousands of years (and on iron skates for many hundreds of years). The fact that a relatively very recent sport that has some similarity with skating is more popular in one part of the world doesn't change what skating itself is. And that English is not a native language in most of Europe is hardly an argument. By your reasoning any article in the English Wikipedia should be US-focused because that's where most native English speakers live.
An article should be about what a word means, not about what it happens to mean at the moment to most English speakers. Btw, you seem to forget that the original English speakers are also European. What's more, most Europeans are English speakers, just not native - who says the English Wikipedia should be just for native English speakers. English is the de fact lingua franca of the world, so the English Wikipedia is the one for the world as a whole. That half the editors are North Americans is already bad enough as it is. :)
Btw, the skating disambiguation page classifies speed skating as a form of ice skating. And oddly, the skate article is about a fish - there is no article on the kind of skate we're talking about here. The sport is not well represented on Wikipedia - there is no overall view, just loose bits. Alas, I don't have the time improve on this.
Oh, and 'Eisschnellauf' means 'ice running'. Not that that proves anything, but you brought it up. :) Not sure what you mean with the Dutch quote, but 'schaatsen' always means 'ice-skating', so all it says is that speed skating is one form of (ice) skating. DirkvdM 17:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and to the anon: roller skating has been known for a long time in Europe. I did it when I was a kid (in the 1960's), as did all the other kids, and it was known long before that. The Roller skating article says it dates back to 1743. DirkvdM 17:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I bet more of the "European English" would associate speed skating with roller skating too.
Nevertheless, I can't be bothered to argue this any longer (especially considering I'm a reasonably big fan of "normal" speed skating). Thus, I propose that the current speed skating article is moved to speed skating (disambiguation) and that long track speed skating is moved to speed skating. Sam Vimes | Address me 20:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)