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[edit] Felipe Gonzalez

Regarding the PSOE and how they handled NATO and corruption. Historical facts (not opinions): Dec 1981 - Spain applies to join NATO (under UCD rule ..centrist government)) The PSOE hands in to the Moncloa Palace a protest against NATO supported by 600.000 signatures

May 1982 - Spain becomes a member of NATO (UCD rule)

Oct 1982 - General election. The PSOE wins an overall majority in both houses

Dec 1982 - Felipe González voted in as new prime minister PSOE promises to retire Spain from NATO Devaluation of the peseta (spanish currency)

Feb 1983 - RUMASA, one of Spain's largest holding is socialized for supposed financial and fiscal irregularities

This reflects a fact but the phrasing of it implies an opinion. Miguel 22:40, 2004 Mar 25 (UTC)

June 1983 - Several figures in the PSOE speak against Spain remaining in NATO

Sep 1983 - Attacks in the French Basque country by GAL (GAL is a pseudo-terrorist organization created and mercenaries supported by the PSOE with the intention of using the same tactics ETA uses against them).

Supported by "the PSOE" is going a little too far and wide. Miguel 22:40, 2004 Mar 25 (UTC)

1983 is the year Spain gains interest in joining the EEC (European Economic Community). PSOE promised that Spain would join the EEC, but the EEC wants Spain to stay in NATO. The PSOE is broken in two: those who want think joining the EEC is more

Spain had for the longest time wanted to join the EEC but as long as it was not a democracy (1978) it had no chance. "Gains interest" does not explain whether it was Spain or the EEC or both or neither that was interested. Miguel 22:40, 2004 Mar 25 (UTC)

1984 - Year that nationalist (separatist) regional parties in Spain gain popular support in their respective regions

This seems to imply that they had very little support previously, which I don't think is correct. Miguel 22:40, 2004 Mar 25 (UTC)

June 1985 - Spain signs treaty of accession to the EEC

Nov 1985 - Huge demonstrations (more than half a million in Madrid) against NATO membership - PSOE and Communist party militants

May 1991 - National newspapers report about FILESA, the mysterious company used to finance the PSOE's electoral campaign (illegaly)

Feb 1992 - The Ibercorp case, a financial scandal involving the governor of the Bank of Spain, comes to light (PSOE is involved) ... The Bank of Spain is not really a "bank" ..it is the national monetary institution of the country ..controlled by the government.

The Bank of Spain is the central bank, equivalent of the US Federal Reserve. Ironically, there was a "Banco Central" which was a private bank. Miguel 22:40, 2004 Mar 25 (UTC)

Mar 1992 - The government increases to a year the period of employment required before being eligible for unemployment benefits (the "socialist" party ... right.)

May 1993 - The government is forced to devaluate the Peseta in the run-up to the election

June 1993 - General election. Fourth consecutive socialist victory, but the PSOE needs to reach an agreement with the Basque and Catalans nationalists ETA kills seven people in Madrid.

Dec 1993 - The Bank of Spain takes over Banesto, one of Spain's largest banks, and dismisses its chairman, Mario Conde

"takes over" or "bails out"? Again a matter of opinion, like RUMASA. Miguel 22:40, 2004 Mar 25 (UTC)

Apr 1994 - M. Rubio, governor of the Bank of Spain, is accused of insider dealings and other illegal activities

June 1995 - E. Alonso Manglano, head of Secret Services (CESID), resigns over accusations of telephone tapping Two senior ministers, N. Serra and García Vargas, tender their resignations in the wake of the CESID scandal PSOE had been using the Spanish Secret Service to obtain info on political contenders

Nov 1995 - Congress grants Supreme Court authority to open proceedings against J. Barrionuevo, PSOE ex-minister of the interior, for his possible part in organising the GAL, the counter-terrorist group involved in the "dirty war" against ETA during the 1980s

Jan 1996 - Barrionuevo and Vera are charged with directing the operations of GAL

March 1996 - General election. The PP emerges as the largest party but is dependent on the support of minorities parties, with who negotiations begin

"minorities" is the same "Basque and Catalan Nationalists" that PSOE had negotiated with in 1993 and which the PP had spent three years lambasting. On election night, 1996, PP supporters insulted the Catalan president Jordi Pujol with "Pujol, you midget, speak in Spanish". That must have made Aznar's negotiations to secure the support of Pujol's party reaaally easy. Miguel 22:40, 2004 Mar 25 (UTC)

[edit] Primo de Rivera

I read somewhere that PSOE (and others) somehow supported the dictatorship of Miguel Primo de Rivera to get rid of the corrupt turno system. But during the dictatorship, parties were banned (except for the artificial Unión Patriótica (?)). What was the relationship then between Primo de Rivera and PSOE.

This page claims that "from the beginning Monarchic parties, Republican parties, PCE, CNT and 'the parliamentary branch of PSOE' opposed Primo de Rivera". It seems that the Socialist union UGT collaborated with the regime, which maybe explains the cryptic phrase "parliamentary branch". It should be noted that, until relatively recently, UGT membership was required for PSOE membership. Also, the page claims that the intent of Primo de Rivera was actually to prevent the replacement of the turno with a more democratic system, although his public retoric was of course different. Miguel 21:53, 2004 Mar 25 (UTC)

This other page claims that the CNT was repressed, but there was an understanding between the Regime and the UGT/PSOE. PSOE leader Largo Caballero was appointed to the consejo de Estado. The collaboration of the socialists allowed them to achieve gains for workers such as health insurance, sunday rest, public housing and professional training. Primo de Rivera attempted to create a corporatist system like the one in Fascist Italy, or the "vertical syndicate" of Franco's time. Miguel 21:59, 2004 Mar 25 (UTC)

I knew the PSOE was rife with internal strife through 1939, and that Largo Caballero was the leader of one of the factions, so I dug up this profile of Indalecio Prieto. Largo Caballero and Prieto were archrivals during the Spanish republic, even though they were both in the same party. The page shows that Prieto was the leader of the "leftist" branch of PSOE, which did not wish to cooperate with Primo de Rivera. Miguel 22:25, 2004 Mar 25 (UTC)

[edit] Largo Caballero, Besteiro and Prieto

The second paragraph of the article needs to talk more about the interaction of Largo Caballero, Besteiro and Prieto, which determined a lot of internal PSOE politics as well as important turning points of Spanish politics in the 1920's and 30's. Among other things, I don't know that the "right" and "left" designation of the various factions within the party is very enlightening. Miguel 22:30, 2004 Mar 25 (UTC)

[edit] Removed

In 90's has become a bit fascist, mainly due to the facts in Asturies (a northern region of Spain). They have created and ambient of frustration and desolation because of unemployment and youth emigration.

It is POV, and underexplained. --Error 01:26, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Translation

this will be where I will translate text from the Spanish article, so the text may change or may be removed.

The PSOE was one of the first socialist parties founded in Europe, celebrating its first Congress in 1888, though not obtaining parliamentary representation until 1920, when the El PSOE fue así uno de los primeros partidos socialistas que se fundaron en Europa, celebrando su primer Congreso en 1888, aunque no logró representación parlamentaria hasta el 8 de mayo de 1910, cuando la Conjunción Republicano-socialista permitió a Pablo Iglesias obtener 40.899 sufragios obteniendo así el título de diputado a Cortes, siendo reelegido en 1914, en vísperas del asesinato de Jaurés, con 21.956 sufragios, esta vez presentándose por Oviedo. El 9 de abril de 1916 repitió escaño con 18.054 sufragios. El 24 de febrero de 1918 Iglesias obtuvo 27.694 votos, y por primera vez estuvo acompañado por otros socialistas: Julián Besteiro, Andrés Saborit, Francisco Largo Caballero, Daniel Anguiano e Indalecio Prieto, perseguidos en 1917 por su participación en una huelga general revolucionaria.

Ha estado presente en la vida pública española desde sus inicios, con una participación directa en la lucha revolucionaria contra el régimen de la Restauración, caso de la la huelga revolucionaria de ferroviarios de 1917, ahogada en Vizcaya, Asturias y Madrid.
Asimismo, el PSOE fue el único partido al que se le permitió permanecer en la legalidad durante la dictadura del General Miguel Primo de Rivera, pues aunque Pablo Iglesias firmó el 13 de septiembre de 1923 el manifiesto contra la dictadura, como presidente del partido y de la UGT, se produjo una división en el seno del mismo ante la actitud que debía mantenerse frente al régimen militar. Por un lado Largo Caballero y Saborit eran partidarios de una cierta colaboración para permitir el funcionamiento del sindicato, mientras que Indalecio Prieto y Fernando de los Ríos eran contrarios a esa colaboración. La crisis finalizó con la dimisión de la Comisión Ejecutiva de Prieto tras el nombramiento de Largo Caballero como Consejero de Estado de Primo de Rivera.

Con el advenimiento de la II República el PSOE formó parte del gobierno en el Primer Bienio, habiendo obtenido 117 diputados en las primeras elecciones republicanas, convirtiéndose en la fuerza política más votada. Durante el segundo bienio o Bienio Negro, algunos dirigentes del partido se involucran en los sucesos revolucionarios de Asturias, conocidos como Revolución de 1934 y ya no volvería al gobierno hasta después de comenzada la Guerra Civil, al ser nombrado Largo Caballero, presidente del mismo.

El PSOE fue ilegalizado por el bando franquista durante la Guerra Civil, como lo fueron todos los demás partidos y organizaciones políticas a excepción de las pertenecientes al denominado Movimiento Nacional (el partido único FET y de las JONS y su sindicato vertical la Central Nacional Sindicalista).

En 1942 se reorganizó en el interior con 300 comités locales en los penales y campos de concentración. En 1944 se formó la primera Comisión Ejecutiva en el interior detenida cuatro meses después. Hasta 1953, las seis ejecutivas del interior fueron desmanteladas por la policía y encarcelados sus dirigentes, año en el que era asesinado el Presidente, Tomás Centeno, en la sede de la Dirección General de Seguridad, hoy sede del Gobienro de la Comunidad de Madrid.

Muchos socialistas permanecieron exiliados durante la dictadura franquista. En España, el PSOE tuvo una actividad clandestina muy inferior a la del PCE. --Revolución (talk) 02:03, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The PSOE in Catalonia has established censorship!! Freedom of speech is being abolished

The hand of Catalonia's infamous "CAC" (Catalonian Audiovisual Committee) is also reaching the internet!! Whatever news goes against the interests of the Catalan government is being eliminated.

Read the words of E. Markham Bench, the Executive Director of The World Press Freedom Committee writing to Mr Maragall and Ernest Branach the speaker of the Catalan Parliament. This letter is located at http://www.wpfc.org/Protests.html:

December 23, 2005

His Excellency Pasqual Magarall i Mira President Generalitat of Catalonia Plaça de Sant Jaume, 4 (Palau de la Generalitat) 08002 Barcelona, Spain

His Excellency Ernest Benach Chairman Parliament of Catalonia Parc de la Ciutadella, s/n 08003 Barcelona, Spain

Your Excellencies:

On behalf of the World Press Freedom Committee, an organization representing 45 press freedom groups in six continents, I wish to express my consternation for the “report” by the Catalan Audiovisual Committee (CAC) in which, under the guise of an alleged moral authority, uses an arbitrary mandate in an attempt to censor and silence the opinions of a whole radio network.

CAC —a censoring entity established in September by the Regional Parliament of Catalonia in order to detect “untruthful information”— had already recommended, a day after its inception, to revoke the broadcasting license of the COPE network for “exceeding the limits of freedom of speech.” On Dec. 20, the CAC report accused the network of failing to fulfill “its prerequisites of constitutional veracity.”

Further, this entity —unique in Western Europe and the European Union, which offers perhaps the world’s most exemplary press freedom environment— concluded that COPE fails to meet its journalistic and editorial duties, calling its opinions “most grave accusations,” “insulting” and “public humiliations.”

Regardless of the veracity or “insulting” intentions of the network’s speech, we find unjustifiable that a state entity, bestowed with censoring powers typical of painful autocratic regimes of the past, be the arbiter of the behavior of a media outlet. COPE or any other media outlet in Spain has every right to express their opinions in an atmosphere of liberty consecrated in the Spanish Constitution.

The mere existence of CAC is in direct contradiction with the democratic and freedom of expression norms adopted by the European Union, the European Court of Human Rights and the vast majority of the world’s democracies. In fact, we have not seen anything similar to this ever since the Franco dictatorship’s censoring committees, which, with extraordinary zeal, controlled the country’s media for almost 40 years.

CAC is not a court of justice but a political body controlled by the ruling majority of the Catalonian Parliament. As such, it is neither independent of political considerations nor equipped with the procedural mechanisms required to offer an accused party a fair trial when charged. It just happens that COPE’s opinions are in opposition to the political goals of such a parliamentary majority. The political antagonism of both entities, in a true democracy, should not bear any relevance. What we find extremely grave is the fact that a government — whether it is national, regional or local— abuses the power emanating from its constituents in order to silence the voices that such a government finds strident or uncomfortable.

It is unacceptable that a censoring organ should receive the blessings of a democratic parliament in order to outright silence a media outlet.

Therefore, I urge the Catalan judicial power to dismiss the CAC calls to revoke COPE’s license, and the Catalan Parliament and the Generalitat to take the appropriate measures in order to dismantle CAC, and thus adhering to international norms of freedom of expression and of the press.

Respectfully,

E. Markham Bench, Executive Director World Press Freedom Committee


  • I don't know who represents this "freedom comittee", but the Generalitat and the Parliament of Catalonia are fully legitimate democratic elected institutions. Of course, the CAC is controlled by the Parliament, and submited to Catalan, Spanish and EU laws. This guarantees its democratic behaviuor. I dont't know a best way to control such an entity, do you?.
Similar entities are established in most countries, in order to asign frequencies and regulate the market. Of course CAC is not a court. This letter is a protest against a mere report.
Your references on CAC as a "censoring entity" are biased. Your comparisons to Franco dictatorship are biased and offensive. Your publication here of such a letter is a biased act, with the intention of damaging these institutions. Your publication here of such a letter is a biased act, since its an individual opinion, and this is not a forum. This is an enciclopaedia, not a place for opinions, but for facts. --Joan sense nick 10:07, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
So is not a fact that CAC reserves the right to determine what is and what is not truthful and that this has been regarded as censorship by a couple or very relevant international institutions? Besides that, should be noted that a popular campaign against CAC has reached european instances becoming the largest protest of this kind the european institutions had ever witnessed by a wide margin (700.000 signatures, with the former largest one reaching a mere 15.000 signatures). The article is obviously not biased.
No, it is not a fact. Actually, the CAC stands only against libellous and hate speech against Catalonians and other minorities, something that seems to be an specialty of that COPE radio station. MaeseLeon 12:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Regardless of whether this is true or not, this is not a discussion forum. If you wish to express your opinion on that no one is stopping you but you need to set up a blog first. These talk pages are for improving the articles and suggesting possible changes. Please see [[1]] Consequently I hope an admin removes this section. Valenciano 18:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

MaeseLeon wrote:

Actually, the CAC stands only against libellous and hate speech against Catalonians and other minorities, something that seems to be an specialty of that COPE radio station.

That´s a grave accusation against the COPE, MaeseLeon.

Could you please source that?. Thank you. Randroide 09:24, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

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