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Wouldn't somebody born in Brazil be a Brazilian? A Spaniard would be somebody born in Spain. RickK 08:34, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
- I'd say that's just one of the many problems with this article. Actually, I think the article may even be deserving of deletion. The concept of "Spanish Brazilian" is pretty much useless, as far as I can see; I don't think there is a large enough number of recent Spanish immigrants to warrant such a classification. The descendants of the Spanish immigrants of yesteryear have fully integrated in Brazilian society, and are not seen as a separate or distinct group.
- Other unfounded remarks are 'They can speak Spanish, in addition to Portuguese and English', the sentence about Portuñol, etc.
- There should probably be an article containing some of the information here, something like 'Spanish immigration to Brazil'. But, once again, this article should probably be deleted, or at least heavily reworked. --Cotoco 18:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Its not supposed to mean they are not integrated into the society...but just as a group of people that immigrated there like the porutugese and italians...its just ancestry...
Given the widespread easy travel of today, I doubt that articles of subject "<ancestral nationality> <current nationality>" are of any notablity or use.
Besides which, seeing the title of this article makes me think "...and introducing acoustic Brazilian". :-) -- 217.171.129.79 (talk) 00:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] D. Pedro I of Brazil a Spanish Brazilian?????
Why D. Pedro I of Brazil is a Spanish Brazilian????? This page requires urgent help!
~No, you require urgent help, in history... Pedros mother was Carlota of Spain, daughter of Carlos IV, the Spanish King.
- It is you who require urgent help in history. He was the heir of the Portuguese throne and later king of Portugal. Kings with mothers of other ruling houses of Europe was very common. It did not make him Spanish unless the Spanish Cortes declared him so. Go learn some history. In your line of thought this would make him : Austrian, French, Italian and German from his great-grand parents. The only nationalities he had was Portuguese and Brazilian. Don't go messing with the rest because intermarriage among royal families was very common and we can find him a long list of European ancestries.
[edit] José de Anchieta
- Also José de Anchieta was a Castillian (not Spanish), he never had Brazilian ancestry, the most it could have happened was the Portuguese king giving him Portuguese nationality which I never read about. Working for the Portuguese king could only make him Portuguese but there are no evidences that the nationality change ever happened.
[edit] Resident
Since when a a Spanish-born person residing in Brazil is a Brazilian? A Spanish Brazilian? You mean it is only necessary to live in Brazil to be a Brazilian? He, he, what a great country.
[edit] Not Spanish-Brazilian
There are many people in this page who are considered Spanish-Brazilian even thought they have no Spanish blood. Some of them are soccer players who play in Spain, but they are not Spanish-Brazilian. There are people of Portuguese descent that are considered Spanish-Brazilian, but they have surnames similar to Spaniards (Both Portuguese and Spanish Surnames are quite similar but there are execptions like patronymic surnames, Spanish: -ez Portuguese: -es, and some spellings, ex. Spanish: Carvallo - Portguese: Carvalho or Spanish: Olivera - Portuguese: Oliveira), and surnames from the Basque country or Catalunya show they have Spanish Ancestry.
Álvaro Luiz Maior de Aquino, Daniel Alves, Marcos Assunção, Roberto Carlos da Silva, Adriano Correia Claro, Denílson de Oliveira Araújo, Djalminha, Milene Domingues, Júlio César Santos Correa, Anderson Luiz de Carvalho, Cristiano Marques Gomes, Diego Ribas da Cunha, Rivaldo, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Márcio dos Santos Gaia, Anderson Silva de França, Mauro Silva, Tiago Splitter, and Sylvinho are Brazilians playing in Spain but they are not Spanish Brazilians because they have no Spanish blood. There is no mention of Spanish blood on Fabricio Werdum (surname sound German not Spanish). The person who put Rafaela Zanella in this page is a moron because in her page it say she has Italian and German ancestry not Spanish, or that person who put her in this page is a troll.
These people aren't Spanish Brazilians so I am removing them. Lehoiberri 23:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pedro I
I know his mother was a Spanish princess, but declaring a heir of the throne of Portugal who was born in Portugal and who died in Portugal as former King of Portugal and father of the Queen of Portugal a Spanish-Brazilian is, to say the least, ridiculous! Maybe Elisabeth II of England is a german-british, what do you think? Maybe we should change her page, lol.
