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This map have a lot of heavy mistakes:

the map have a lot of heavy mistakes:

  • 790: 1. By this time, the eastern limit of the kingdom of Asturies was in present day Cantabria, and didn't include Burgos, Basque Country or Navarre (under muslim power); 2.The southern limit was far in the north and Santiago (took on 800) or Leon (took on 856) was out of the kingdom; 3. Barcelona was conquered by the franks in 801, the frontier was between Gerona and Barcelona; 4. Seville and Cordoba are each one in the place of the other; 5. Balearic islands was under byzantine rule.
  • 900: 1. The kingdom of Galicia born in 910 so by this time this region is Leon; 2. By this time, Castile was a County dependent of Asturias; 3. One of the worst mistakes: Aragon is overextended, Huesca was conquered in 1095 and Tudela in 1110, Tarragona in 1129 but by the catalans those lands was under the power of Cordoba or under (muslim) Zaragoza (conquered in 1118) because in certain sense this last was very independent, other territories was under local muslim lords, independents of Cordoba (Tudela for example); 4. Balearic islands was independent, not wasnt't conquered by the Emirate until three years later.
  • 1150: 1. Galicia was in this time a County dependent of Leon; 2. Castille and Leon was united, and splited again in 1157; 3. Catalonia wasn't an entity with that name, but County of Barcelona with other smallest counties dependent of Barcelona.
  • 1300: 1. Castille and Leon was united, the internal division of the Crown is highly inacurate; 2. Present Basque Country was a castilian territory; 3. Navarra was part of the French kingdom 4. The Crown of Aragon was the political entity of eastern Iberia, and was divided in three differents kingdoms: Aragon, Catalonia and Valencia (wich wasn't splited in two like show the map), was a federal entity not a property of Aragon; 5. Balearic island was and independent kingdom (plus Roseillon) althought vassal of Aragon.

In the last three maps the Kingdom of Navarra is overextended in the north, in the last two maps Tudela should be a portion of Navarra.


--Bentaguayre (talk) 18:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


Totally agree. It's a quite poor map.

  • 1st image (790):
    • Asturias is way too big, specially with that pretension of contrlling Basque lands that is not documented anywhere (except in the feversih minds of some Spanish historical cartographers).
    • The Basque Country was not part of Asturias, much less the North. Pamplona was still not constituted (in the midst of struggles between Franks, Basques and Muslims) and at this date the city was (briefly) under Muslim control (expelled c. 800 by a revolt).
    • The Spanish March was in its very infancy. Girona was just conquered by the Franks in 785 and Barcelona was not captured until 801.
  • 2nd image (900):
    • The main error is with Aragon. Zaragoza was not conquered by Aragon until 1118! In fact Aragon (the county) was then part of Pamplona (and Sobrarbe-Ribagorza were part of the Spanish March).
    • The border between Castile and Pamplona is a total mess: The exact border is unknown but drawing the Enkarterriak as Basque and the surrounding lands as Castilian is a total nonsense, as these divisions belong to a later period (see this map for a good reference).
    • Castile was then dependent of Leon (a county) and Galicia was integral part of that kingdom.
  • 3rd image(1150): the southern frontier is accurate probably but the division between Christian kingdoms can be improved, specially the Aragonese-Catalan border. The Castilian-Navarrese one was then in dispute so it's hard to say but again the drawing of Enkarterriak as a Pamplonese enclave seems a nonsense. Aragon and Catalonia were then already in personal union (confederation known simply as Aragon).
  • 4th image (1300): again ok for the southern frontier but:
    • Leon had merged with Castile by 1230.
    • Navarre was then already at its modern borders (plus Lower Navarre), as Castile had conquered the Western Provinces in 1200.
    • Aragon and Catalonia were united as mentioned and the Land of Valencia was made a separate kingdom within the crown actually (1237).

--Sugaar (talk) 11:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)