Talk:South Side (Chicago)

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[edit] Auto Peer Review

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[edit] GA Review

The citation needed tags need to be addressed or the article will be quick-failed. Please address them before another editor reviews the article. --Nehrams2020 00:14, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

This article meets the Good Article criteria, but cannot be listed until two issues are met. First, is the aforementioned 'citation needed' tag (there's one remaining). Second, the use of a left-justified and right-justified image at the end of the article is very awkward, and make the sections look strange there (parks & popular culture). It might be better to put both of these at the right side, and change the image size so that they're both identical. Also, it could help if the Chicago marathon had some context within the article itself.

Let me know when these issues are addressed. Dr. Cash 05:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I will attempt to address these issues personally and post it at WP:CHIDISCUSS for other members to make editorial contributions. If you don't hear from us earlier please allow the full 7 days.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments from rebooted FAC being addressed

  • New comments
  • In addition to being highly ranked, the University of Chicago has had 16 Nobel Prizes awarded to persons of research or on faculty at the university at the time of the award announcement, placing it 6th amongst U.S. institutions. Why "amongst"? That sounds archaic. IIRC, "among" means the same thing (at least in American English). Zagalejo^^^ 20:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)YesY--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Despite the numerous educational institutions, the South Side has relatively few highly educated residents outside of the Hyde Park neighborhood (the Hyde Park community area and the southern half of the Kenwood community area) and the Beverly community area. Do we have a ref explaining that the Hyde Park neighborhood includes part of Kenwood? I'm still uneasy about this sentence in general, because 1) it's based on your interpretation of a map (ie, OR) and 2) it kinda suggests that people in other community areas are stupid. Zagalejo^^^ 20:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Hyde Park the neighborhood extends to 47th Street, but this is entirely class-based, so the eductional level description is a tautology. Rephrasing it is not a problem. What it says is true; there is a clustering of the highly educated, and yes, this means that residents of the other areas are less well educated. Speciate 21:00, 3 November 2007 (UTC) YesY reworded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Speciate (talk • contribs) 21:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Well, that's a little more tactful. But looking at the map again, shouldn't Ashburn be mentioned, as well? Zagalejo^^^ 21:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
  • We do have a source (Hyde Park Chamber of Commerce 2007-2008 Member Directory, Hyde Park Chamber of Commerce, pp. 32-33, 2007), but the section has been rephrased. It seems you like the new phrasing however.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Neighborhoods such as Armour Square, Back of the Yards, Bridgeport, Little Village and Pullman tend to be blue collar, while the Jackson Park Highlands District, Hyde Park, Mount Greenwood, Morgan Park and Beverly tend to have middle, upper-middle and higher incomes. The neighborhoods don't have the incomes; the people do. Plus, would all readers understand a term like "blue collar"? Zagalejo^^^ 20:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)YesY--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
  • The South Side currently hosts two major professional athletic teams. We should assume that the article is current. Zagalejo^^^ 20:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)YesY--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
  • The South Side is home to many official landmarks as well as many notable buildings and structures. How about: "The South Side is home to many official landmarks and other notable buildings and structures." Most of the official landmarks are themselves notable buildings and structures. Zagalejo^^^ 20:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)YesY--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
  • 1700 East 56th continues to be the tallest building south of 13th street. "Continues to be" is unnecessarily wordy. There's gotta be a better alternative. Zagalejo^^^ 20:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)YesY--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Many of these are on the South Side including several large parks that are part of the legacy of Paul Cornell and his service on the South Parks Commission. Who is Paul Cornell? We should explain who he is, instead of just dropping his name here and there. YesY--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
  • We really don't say that much about the Union Stockyards beyond the brief mention in "References in popular culture". The Stockyards were a huge part of Chicago's economy. Zagalejo^^^ 20:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure there's more I could find, but I'll stop for now. Zagalejo^^^ 20:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:United States communities with African American majority populations

There is some contention whether South Side belongs in Category:United States communities with African American majority populations because it is not a census-designated place. It is not clear to me that only census-designated place belong.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 05:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

It's also not clear that the South Side would qualify to be in that category. The South Side of Chicago is not an official community. There is no way to determine it without original research. It's debatable also what communities qualify as south side. On this page, some west side neighborhoods are referenced as if they are on the south side. Many people also include the nearby suburbs when they reference the South Side of Chicago. 99.140.164.99 (talk) 05:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge_proposal

I believe that Chicago Southland and South Side (Chicago) mean the same thing. If so there should be one unified article. I believe this is the proper location.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 00:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

They refer to different things. The Southland is a suburban region: [1]. Zagalejo^^^ 00:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Withdrawn.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 08:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)