Talk:Songs for the Deaf

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Songs for the Deaf was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Reviewed version: June 28, 2007

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[edit] MP3 Ripping

It states that most MP3 ripping software can't rip the hidden track. What ones can?

Why are all the cover art scans in Google Images so blurry?

For those who care:

  • Best KROQ hit: "No One Knows"

Tokerboy

"Songs for the deaf" sound more like the title of a typical Leonard Cohen album.

Other bands that have used the radio station theme include White Zombie - La Sexorcisto: Devil Music and Powderfinger - Internationalist

[edit] Millionaire Vocals

Who does lead vocals on "You Think I Ain't Worth A Dollar, But I Feel Like A Millionaire"? It sounds like the dude from Death From Above 1979. I know that Josh Homme did a mix of "Black History Month" for them, so I thought maybe this was what started their collaborations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.87.40 (talk • contribs)

It was none other than Nick Oliveri. ^^ ... see "Six Shooter" off Deaf or Rated R's "Quick and to the Pointless" for comparison.. --Johnnyw 11:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
And what a great song it is. :: RatedR Leg of Lamb 22:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Personal

Jesus Christ that is long. It should be shorted, honesty who cares about legal personal.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.153.227.123 (talk • contribs) .

You are right, that is quite a list. I must have missed out on when that was done... Thx for pointing that out. --Johnnyw 10:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Doesn´t Gene Troutmann play on half a song or something? He is in the credits on the CD inlay.

[edit] God is in the radio

Can anyone tell what they are saying when the song goes very silent. I think its like backwards talking or something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.188.116.199 (talk • contribs) .

It sounds a little bit it's a sound snipped of a a sigh and then voice in reverse, doesn't it? Don't know what it supposed to say though or if it is intended to be something more than just gibberish. --Johnnyw talk 16:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I reversed the bit and the final words sound very much like "We're ants." The couple of words before that - I can't even guess. --Johnnyw talk 17:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination on hold

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of June 14, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Generally good here. I would still recommend that the article go through a solid copyediting. It never hurts to read the article aloud to catch minor errors. Here are a few things I noticed. In the first sentence "album" should not be wikilinked. A comma is needed after "magnum opus" What does "mainstream success in the media" mean? Record sales? Reviews (b/c that's already the critics)? Positive coverage? Appearances on late night shows? I would recommend taking that out, or being more specific. I would also add "available" to the end of the last sentence in the lead section. Take out "as of June 6, 2007" as that will sound hopelessly dated in weeks. That figure is not likely to change much, and can be adjusted if it does in the future. If you think it does change often, just add [[as of 2007]], to alert future editors to check it periodically. Quotation marks should follow terminal punctuation (periods, commas, etc...) That means "yada, yada, yada." The Yahoo quote should be removed, as it is a joke and not actual commentary on the quality of the album. If it is kept, it should only be used to explain that Grohl is not typically a drummer. There should be a comma after "great success" The last three facts in the Variations section should be turned into prose. The Artwork section should be turned into prose. There should be a comma after "musician Dave Catching"
2. Factually accurate?: This statement:

This is widely known as "The Real Song For The Deaf" because a deaf person could "feel" the song if using the right subwoofer.

should be removed because (1) It's kind of a wonky fact. The deaf can "feel" most songs on the album (or any album) that have a strong enough beat if they use subwoofers, high volume, etc... (2) It's original research. The last sentence in Tracklisting needs a reference.

3. Broad in coverage?: I almost failed the article for on this criteria, but I wanted to give you a chance to fix it - but you only have a week. I think that, prior to the Critical reception section, you would benefit from having a section (or sections) on the album development. How did Grohl sign on? How did they choose a producer? What was their goal for the album? Were there snafus that almost halted production? Where did they record? All those kind of questions. To see an article that is well done in this regard, see Enta Da Stage. In the first sentence, you might want to mention briefly (in parenthesis) who Dave Grohl is (like "guitarist of Nirvana fame" or "lead guitarist for the Foo Fighters," or something like that)
4. Neutral point of view?: I would say yes here. Even though it is mostly glowing, it is substantiated with outside critics.
5. Article stability? No edit wars.
6. Images?: Great here.

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. — Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 13:24, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I second your opinion, especially regarding 3. Actually, I was quite surprised to see the QOTSA albums nomination, since I closely followed the articles after working on lots of QOTSA stuff a year ago. Not sure if I would be able to join on a ride to get this thing to GA though, since I have some other babies to look after right now, but hopefully, due to Era Vulgaris there will be sufficient Queens fans to fill in. And on a side note: Grohl was the drummer for Nirvana; I would say he's actually more acclaimed for his drumming skills than for his singing/guitar duties with Foo Fighters.--Johnnyw talk 15:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm also for this, though I'd be inclined to simply fail the review based on the fact that there's almost no background information rovided at all, the lead needs to be more expansive and there's some basci wikifying needed (here and there). The fact that it's on hold gives it a little bit of time, but this article needs some serious work before being GA level. --lincalinca 03:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, I did my best to improve the article according to the hints, and I have re-take descriptive grammar test for college credit tomorrow. I'm afraid I can't contribute anymore today, and tomorrow is the deadline for final statement about Good article. Does it have any chance now? Brokensoul talk 14:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I'd say, relax, don't worry about the article. After passing the test (good luck :) work on the issues step by step. Rushing things would do no good for you and the article.. Maybe I'll join in next week, when I have time. Then, I'd resubmit the article. --Johnnyw talk 19:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Johnny's right. Real world first. This can wait. It'll happen before long, I'm sure. I would encourage enlisting more people who can be constructive and possibly one or two who can be completely objective too. --lincalinca 04:25, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA hold follow-up

First I would like to apologize for not getting back. I am working on a FAC as well as real life, and this slipped my mind. I rarely put articles on hold, and I imagined someone else would do follow-up when the seven days were up, but I was clearly mistaken. Again, apologies.

Second, I am really impressed by the real improvement in this article since I read it last. The Overview and background section has grown and expanded, and gives nice insight into the article. Overall, I see major improvement. However...I still have to fail it for the following reasons:

  1. The article still suffers from prose issues: parenthetical phrases that chop up sentences, run-on sentences, and sentences that cram in too much information are the biggest offenders. This is a perfect example:

Dave Grohl put his band on temporary hiatus [5][6] (despite Foo Fighters having already recorded material) which delayed the release of their album, One By One to October 22, 2002[7], because of touring duties with Queens of the Stone Age.

  1. Bulleted subheadings are bad. Well written prose is always preferred over sparse lists, especially when a list is unnecessary. This article abounds with lists, and I think there are even more than the last time.
  2. The songs from which the audio samples are taken are not discussed in the article, making their fair use claim tenuous.
  3. Inline references should appear after punctuation.

I think with more effort this will will reach GA status. Best wishes!--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 13:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Nom

Hey, I've just done a partial assessment and there's just a few more things needed and then you'll be cooking in the GA kitchen. • More imagery would really be appropriate, perhaps photos of the band including Grohl, live photos of the tour where Grohl played with them. • The article indicates that Grohl only played with the band for 3 months and then left, but I saw him with them when I went to Big Day Out in 2003, Foo Fighters and QOTSA both played in the same day and he played for both, so there's either an error there or he came back. Either way, if he came back, it should be noted. If not and he never left, then the dates he was with the band need to be amended. • There's no expert opinion section relating to the actual music of the album. You've got parts of it dotted throughout "critical reception" and "Album production and release." If this information can be encapsulated so as to depict the kind of music in its own section, that'd be good. • Although AMG uses several terms to describe the music type, WP:ALBUMS suggests not to use quite so many. One or two is best and they should be basic types. I'd suggest Heavy Rock and Experimental Metal as the descriptors. Once these things are done, the album should be all the way there. --lincalinca 04:34, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

That's odd, there are youtube vids of Big day out 2003 and it's Joey playing. And on the subject of opinions on the music, should it just all be placed together in say, 'Musical Styles'? red157 16:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I should clarify, Grohl was on drums but stepped down a few songs from the end because FF played right after. And yes, "Musical styles" is the appropriate name. --lincalinca 06:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
So, it's obvious that if they're around playing together, Grohl makes appearance on drums for QOTSA. Even though Lanegan wasn't official member of the band, when QOTSA and Mark Lanegan were around, they also played some songs together, so it should be noted that he was joining the band sporadically when they were playing at the same festivals here and there, that's all, no big conspiracy theory... Broken soul 09:53, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Even so, it should be noted that he does, and threason it should be here in stead of on the band's article is because this album's creation is its antecedant. --lincalinca 10:10, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
But then again, Lanegan has played with QOTSA spontaneously a number of times and it seems this Big day performance was the only 'relapse' so to speak on Grohl's part... And what songs did Grohl play, as I'd have expected him to do 'A Song for the Deaf', but Joey play ed that. red157 20:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Just an FYI - a musical styles section is not necessary for a GA (or any) article. I did a quick search, and I don't believe any such subheading exists in Wikipedia.--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 13:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
'Musical Styles' specifically? Maybe not, but many GA articles have something alone those lines, obviously worded differently. If not, somebody renominate it as that is the only thing I see this article lacking. Red157 04:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bloody Hammer

Does anyone know who sang this? It sounds like Jack Black to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshuah Hounshell (talk • contribs) 12:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, Oliveri. Mondo Generator rather than Qotsa used to play it live infrequently. Skomorokh incite 13:50, 12 December 2007 (UTC)