Talk:Soft butch
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[edit] needed?
This article is awfully small. And how is it going to grow? Lots of vague allusions to Ellen Degeneres? What if we simply have a single article on lesbian gender identities, which looks at historical evolution of butch/femme, variants across ethnic communities, influence of 70s feminism, 80s recovery of butch-femme, and ongoing fragmentation into queer & trans identities. or something! but to have two paragraphs on "soft butch" and the silly retronym "chapstick lesbian" seems silly. --lquilter 05:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Someone could put in info on the "kiki" label which preceeded soft butch and described basically the same subgroup of lesbians. Maybe some more accurate info about the "soft butch" being more acceptable? While more acceptable than stone butches in mainstream culture and amongst some lesbians, I can verify as a soft butch that we take quite a bit of guff from those who hold to the butch-femme model as being both too butch and too femme or as being uncommitted to full butchness. 4.249.171.71 (talk) 22:24, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- History of kiki is a good idea and some of the content that is needed if this is to stay a separate article. It's just that we need to have reliable sources for the article and need to generate more content. As it is, I'm not sure why this couldn't be a subpart of the article on butch. --Lquilter 14:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
