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[edit] Jonny vs. Johnny?

I think Jonny Wickersham's name is being misspelled all over Wikipedia. I thought maybe the credits were just wrong on the Live in Orange County DVD but I just saw on Social D's MySpace page that its spelled "Jonny" also. I'm going to fix it here and in the Johnny Wickersham article unless there are any objections or someone can provide proof otherwise. Downstream 16:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I changed it. Downstream 01:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Changing dates

I don't know why anons keep changing dates in this article, but I'm basing my edits on the discography on the Official site. Mommy's Little Monster was released in '83, and Prison Bound in '88. Unless you can back up your changes, don't make them.

I have the CD of Mommy's Little Monster and the year 1982 is clearly printed on the tray card and the disc, but the liner notes says it was recorded on Christmas Eve 1982. In any way, I don't see how it could be released in that year when it hadn't been recorded before the day the band recorded it and even if it was really released in 1982, then the correct recording year would be 1981 instead. 64.142.89.105 02:44, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I had to change back the date to 1983 to Mommy's Little Monster, since it was recorded on December 24, 1982, according to the liner notes, which means that the album could never be released in 1982. I have the CD of the album too, but the tray card incorrectly says it was released in 1982, yes, but it seems that the record company is having a hard time getting their facts straight. I follow their official website very carefully and their discography does clearly state 1983, so does the Allmusic.com biography and the booklet of the 1998 live album Live at the Roxy? I trust the band very well than the back cover or any website that says Mommy's Little Monster came out in 1982. 130.65.109.102 00:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I had no clue where to put it but John did leave the band and Matt is the new member the info I posted is from the Social D offical web page and feel free to edit it all you want, but I just wanted to make sure the info is correct and have some refrence for why i edited the previous info

[edit] Singles

All the singles I added are from their official website. You click on "history" and then "discography", that's where you'll see them, in-case any one of you never been to their official website. -- Mike Garcia | talk 02:33, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup:Section

I put a cleanup tag on the History section because the text was unclear. -- DBBell | talk 7 December 2005

I cleaned up one part of it which was especially bad. Is there anything else on it that you think needs work? Fightindaman 05:48, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
204.228.220.175 vandalized the page, but I don't know how to revert it back. DBBell 17:56, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Good to go? Do people think that the cleanup tag can come down now? DBBell 03:45, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Taking down {{cleanup}} tag - article has greatly improved thanks to everyone's efforts. DBBell 14:39, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

What in the heck does "The band has remained silent three times" mean? I'd fix it but I can't understand it.

"The band remained silent three times" paragraph means that they have been on hiatus three times. They went on hiatus for the first time between the releases of Mommy's Little Monster and Prison Bound, then between the releases of Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell and White Light, White Heat, White Trash again, and their last hiatus was between White Light, White Heat, White Trash and Sex, Love and Rock 'n' Roll. Alex 15:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Girls, Cars and Loud Guitars

Where should information about the album, Girls, Cars and Loud Guitars be placed?--Filthy swine 16:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] categories

Social D should not have reunited musical groups as a category as they have never broken up, merely changed members.

Agreed, and the categorisation is now amended accordingly. Derek R Bullamore 22:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
It was me who added the category weeks ago. The band once broke up when singer Mike Ness was involved in a serious drug addiction and ended up in prison. When that happened, there was never a replacement for him. So, that's why I just restored the category. 65.222.216.15 17:30, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ron Emory

I just saw Social D last week.. Ron Emory is no longer filling in. I removed him from the "Current Lineup" section and put him in "Previous Members".. however, i don't know how to move him to a different section in this thingy:

v • d • e
Social Distortion
Mike Ness | Jonny Wickersham | Brent Harding | Charlie Quintana
Former members

For non – official members, see List of Social Distortion band members.
Albums
Live albums and compilations
Videos and DVDs
Categories

[edit] History

Before anyone gets in a tizzy because I changed the info regarding the new album, please take the article for what it is. It states, and I quote "appear to be back in the studio working on their highly anticipated follow-up to 2004's "Sex, Love And Rock 'n' Roll", according to Punkbands.com." which is quoting another website. It does not say that they *are* in the studio recording, it says they "appear" to be "working" on a new album. But no where does it say they are recording and no one has verified this statement.

[edit] Brent Harding

I just recently saw Social Distortion in concert and I removed this paragraph from the new album section:

"There have been no announcements if current bassist Brent Harding will stay in the band permanently and it is unknown if line-up with him or the one with Maurer or Freeman will record it."

Actually, Brent Harding is still a member of the band and there has never been any evidence if previous bassist John Maurer or Matt Freeman will rejoin or not. The paragraph I removed seems more like awkward or POV. So, let's just keep this paragraph removed for now until some evidence is provided. 130.65.109.47 19:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

As noted on the official website, Brent is a permanent member of the band. Erikaeve 07:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discography

It seems that the usage of "galleries" in discographies is up for debate (whether or not it is legal to use images in this way) so I changed it to look like the Megadeth article which was a Featured Article and therefore I assume it was acceptable. Downstream 20:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I should clarify that I have seen debate over "galleries" in discographies outside of an actual Discography page such as Social Distortion discography where the sole purpose is identification of each album therefore images are acceptable in that context because they are not merely decoration. Downstream 20:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
It's fine the way it was before you changed it. Instead of galleries, maybe I'll just change it to look like The Offspring's if you don't mind. Either way you want the discography to look like is fine. I was just concerned about why you changed it. Alex 21:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
That's cool - fine with me. I just don't want the gallery to be what holds the article back from being a Featured Article. The Offspring one looks good to me except I don't think the Release Date makes sense as being the first column - should probably be the Album title but that's probably being picky. Downstream 21:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unsourced info

The band at one time included vocalist Tom Corvin, but soon thereafter Ness took over vocal duties when Corvin left for graduate school.[citation needed]. If anyone wants to add this back to the main article, please provide a source for the statement. Downstream 17:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Band member timeline

What do you all think of this as a new format for the band member line up? Downstream 17:41, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I guess it looks fine. Since you've created that format, I've thought about making a page featuring a list of the band's past and present line-ups like the Cure personnel page. I'm think I'll call it "List of Social Distortion band members". Alex 19:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
That'd be cool, then we can keep both formats. Do you think it looks better without the albums or with? I kind of like the albums to show who worked on what but the maintenance could get tiresome. Downstream 19:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I just created the List of Social Distortion band members page and used the bottom template instead. Alex 19:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Social Distortion-Young.jpg

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[edit] Danell's Death

The Social D official website says that Danell died of heart failure...is the aneurysm claim legit? User:Snyrt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.192.68.117 (talk) 17:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Genres

"Pop Punk" and "Alternative Rock" are ridiculous genres to ascribe to Soc D. In the latter case, sure they'll get airplay on alt rock radio, but so could any punk band that recieves some mainstream attention (Ironically, mainsteam punk= alternative rock). However, Alt rock is no genre that Mike Ness has ever tried to incorporate into his palate... it's the same as calling Rancid alt rock, since they're played on the same stations. Pop punk is way off also. Their songs are accessible, but do not derive that from pop influences, ala the Buzzcocks or Descendents, but rather from blues, rockabilly, country and rock n' roll influesnces. Thus, cowpunk and punkabilly are appropriate. Hardcore punk is an appropriate label for their early years; whatever the tag has come to mean, when first coined it included music like the Posh Boy stuff and Mommy's Little Monster, to say nothing of the band's lifestyle and ethic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.147.147 (talk) 01:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok... I'm using allmusic as a reference now which says they are Punk Rock and Alternative Rock... nothing else, I even went to allmusics harcore Rock page and they are not listed among the bands. You may add "American Underground", "L.A. Punk", "College Rock", "American Punk" of "Hard Rock" if you like but any other genres need to be cited.--Dr who1975 (talk) 18:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Funny enough, when I removed Alt rock and pop punk and then posted above, I was going to pointedly say "those are the kind of neutered labels AllMusic would use", but it slipped my mind in the course of typing. My above point stands, but have it your way. It's tough for me to leave SxDx with such a limp description, and if you want to look at Wiki's pages on CowPunk or Punkabilliy, or Hardcore Punk, you will see support for my perspective from knowledgable folks. But I'm not now about to invest the energy to distinguish between "original research" and such authoratative sources on underground music as AllMusic... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.147.147 (talk) 23:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Opened a can of worms there didn't you. Well... find a decent source for the other genres and put them back. It shouldn't be that hard. I'm using the term "decent" very loosely in this case.--Dr who1975 (talk) 23:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Alternative rock? What the hell? They are NOTHING like Alternative rock. AllMusic sucks. They probably never listened to them. Alternative is becoming too widely used. I mean, Smashing Pumpkins are alternative rock, and these guys are nothing like them. I don't give a rip what it says in the article. I'm removing Alt, and why the hell not? In my opinion, that's an unreliable source. --me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.46.143.10 (talk) 00:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

  • The point about the discussion page in the notes ismeant to say that you should post a comment and gather concensus before changing the genre. The fact of the matter is that Alternative Rock is a cited genre... if you wish to add genres with proper citations then please do so. --Dr who1975 (talk) 00:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bad Religion as "leading hardcore band"

I edited BR out of the sentence which describes BR, along with SD, as a leading member of the 80's hXc scene once before, replacing them w/ Bad Brains, and they returned. So I replaced them with the Misfits this time. Look, I'm sure whoever is throwing BR in there is a big fan of them, but it just aint so that they were important in the early 80's when hardcore was taking shape. As the book American Hardcore by Steven Blush points out, BR never was billed higher than 4th on big multiple band shows. They were a mere footnote to that era. Their legacy begins with Suffer and the emergence of pop hardcore, a late 80's phenomenon, occuring after the original hXc scene was dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.147.147 (talk) 01:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)