Talk:Smith & Wesson M&P

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[edit] S&W Victory

I'ved added information on the S&W Victory Revolver, arguably the best-known version of the S&W M&P series. --Commander Zulu 09:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template overload

Does anyone know of a standard or guideline on the number of templates at the bottom of an article, these 3 seem a little too much? Perhaps if a weapon was used by one army in WWII then fine, but now we have two armies and ".38" weapons... perhaps for starters we can lose the ".38" as it doesn't add mouch does it (maybe replace with a link in "See also"?) --Deon Steyn 13:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Consider the ".38" template hustled into a car with dark windows and Ministry of The Interior licence plates ;) --Commander Zulu 14:01, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Cool, that looks much better! Now, if only they can make those templates the same width, some sort of an "at least X wide" setting. ~~----

[edit] 10-6 in .357 magnum?

I own a Model 10-6 chambered in .357 Magnum. Is there anybody who knows more about these? Would this be a modification, and would it be a common one? It'd make an interesting sidenote for the article if such a thing is common.

Isn't the 10-6 a .38 Special? You can fire .38s in a .357, but not the other way around. Sounds like a mod to me. I'm not extremely familiar with Smith revolvers though. Thernlund (Talk | Contribs) 22:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Yep, the 10-6 is normally a .38 Special. Kinda sucks; it's got too light a frame for firing full-load .357 Magnum rounds for my grip. I've found a couple non-sourceworthy refs stating that a "very limited quantity" of these were made in .357 Magnum, including one order from the New York State Police in 1972. Maaaybe I shouldn't take it to the range so often anymore. At any rate, I'm hoping that somebody in the know would know where to find properly-sourceable info for this. Mendaliv (talk) 01:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Some blog post pointed me to a book called America's Right Arm. Unfortunately, closest library that has it (according to WorldCat) is the Library of Congress. It's supposed to be entirely on the Model 10. Mendaliv (talk) 17:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
See article update 5/12/08--Mcumpston (talk) 19:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 38 round

it says the 38 was popular with troops. i herd that the army adopted the 45.acp because of the weakness of the round, please explain this to me (Esskater11 18:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC))

Nowhere in the article does it state that it was popular with U.S. troops. It mentions that the cartridge was popular and at another point that it was popular with civilian shooters. Also, the revolver in question was supplied mostly to Commonwealth countries. Furthermore US military forces didn't adopt the .45 ACP to replace the .38 Special specifically. Many cartridges were used at the time, including the .38 Long Colt which you might be thinking of. And finally, popularity is a subjective term and what is popular with troops of civilians or even does not determine military acquisitions. --Deon Steyn 07:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

The oft-repeated saw in the gun literature is that the 38 Long Colt proved ineffective at stopping Moro warriors during the Phillipines Campaign. Allegedly, old 45 Colt Single actions were un-mothballed and issued. Supposedly, the 45s did a lot better but there is some anecdotal material that says that even the 30 USA (Krag) wouldn't stop a Moro who had gone juramentado. The genral opinion was that the 38 Special was another stab at upgrading power and that the Phillipine campaign was what inspired the Thompson-LeGard tests of 1905 (date?) Most loading manuals and early books such as Smith's Book of Pistols and Revolvers call the special one of the most accurate handgun cartridges ever developed but by the 1930s, Elmer Keith was saying that the special with its round nosed bullet had "cost a lot of good men their lives (sic)" because of its inadequate ballistics. Nevertheless, the 38 was standard with police departments through the 1960s.--Mcumpston (talk) 19:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Interesting Owners?

The "Interesting Owners" section bothers me a bit, largely because I've never heard of the two Chinese personages mentioned in the section (I see one of them was 2nd President of China, he might just qualify as notable and worthy of inclusion.) Perhaps its worthwhile trimming the section back? --Commander Zulu 09:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

There is more content here about the M1917 than the M&P. Please create an article for the M1917 and move that there! Lord Bodak 00:47, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Date of Origin

Congratulations to whoever dated the M&P and .38 special cartridge to 1899. A few generations ago, somebody went into print that the whole thing started with the M&P of 1902 and the handloading manuals have been getting it wrong ever since.--Mcumpston (talk) 16:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)--Mcumpston (talk) 20:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)