Talk:Slovakization

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[edit] Relevant discussion was archived

Relevant and not-obsolete discussion was deleted from this page, justyfying it by archivation. Nevertheless, archivation should leave at least a summary of the archived discussion. 147.175.98.213 (talk) 09:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

A short summary of main topics of the archived discussion:

- Is the term "slovakization" historically justified?

- Is the information provided in this article relevant and true?

- Is this article POV?

- Should this article be deleted?

- The relation of magyarization and slovakization.

- The relation of slovakization and re-slovakization.

- The census from year 1910, which is the main factual base of this article, is disputed.

- Which towns/places had slovak/magyar/german names? And which of these names are original?

- Was a significant number of Magyars in present-day Slovakia in the 15th century?

- Nationalistic acts from from both sides?

147.175.98.213 (talk) 09:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Note:
  • there was a sign at the top that read "this talk page is too long", archive was necessary
  • 'Relevant and non-obsolete' discussion ended one and a half years ago
  • I've never seen a summary of an archive on Wikipedia
  • anyone can start a new discussion on any related topic on this talk page (at the bottom)

Squash Racket (talk) 12:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Note 2:
  • I cannot find the sign saying "this talk page is too long". Could you please tell me, where to find it?
  • 'Relevant and non-obsolete' is not mutually exclusive with 'old'
  • Read the WP:ARCHIVE. There is a sentence:"It is also helpful to label your archives with dates and briefly summarize their main discussions." The simple fact, that you have never seen it, does not mean it does not exist.
  • Summary belongs to the top. Just because it is a summary. Feel free to add other topics to the summary if you like.

147.175.98.213 (talk) 13:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Insertion of claims by IP 147.175.98.213

In your sudden arrival to this article you may have missed the reason for the removal of the IPs edit. Its not about slovakization rather a specific oppressive scheme between 1945-1948 re-slovakization, so it will never belong to the lead of an article about slovakization even if the IP slightly reprhased his edit adding further unsourced claims like "Great part of...". Re-slovakization already has its own (very short paragraph) which in addition directly contradicts claims made by the IP (for example: "Because of this, most re-Slovakized Hungarians gradually readopted their Hungarian nationality"). Further the source never claimed your and the IPs assumption only that "its intended aim was..." never says that it "reverted the effect of magyarization" as a statement of fact. Hobartimus (talk) 23:46, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I never claimed what you try to say that I claim: "reverted the effect of magyarization"
I wrote, that "reason was to revert the effect of magyarization" and that is a big difference.
Read what you are deleting and don't delete because of my IP.147.175.98.213 (talk) 18:12, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, Hobartimus already clarified this. Squash Racket (talk) 13:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The article is about slovakization. Slovakization, as generally understood, is the change of non-slovak (things or people)to slovak. re-slovakization is a part of this, therefore it is legitimate to include it into the article. Moreover, besides of the deportation after WWII, re-slovakization affected most people of all processes, which can be hidden under the header "slovakization"147.175.98.213 (talk) 18:12, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with this. Re-Slovakization should be included in this article. Tankred (talk) 23:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Don't you realize Re-Slovakization is already included in the article with a whole section? It's just a name for putting pressure on ethnic Hungarians through a humiliating process for three years and there are enough sources about that. The lead is about Slovakization's definition in general, re-Slovakization is another thing.
You are partly right, the horror of re-Slovakization isn't explained enough in the article, it should be improved. Squash Racket (talk) 06:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Here is a definition of reslovakization in English:
The German and Hungarian population living in the reborn Czechoslovak state were subjected to various forms of persecution, including: expulsions, deportations, internments, peoples court procedures, citizenship revocations, property confiscation, condemnation to forced labour camps, involuntary changes of nationality and appointment of government managers to German and Hungarian owned businesses and farms, referred to euphemistically as “reslovakization.” [1]
Between 1945 and 1948, an endless list of discriminatory anti-German and anti-Hungarian presidential decrees, edicts, laws and statutes were proclaimed by the president of the republic, the Prague-based Czechoslovak Parliament, the Slovak National Council (parliament) in Bratislava (Pressburg) and by the Board of Slovak Commissioners (an appendage of the Czechoslovak government in Bratislava).[2]
You really think that belongs in the lead of the article? Squash Racket (talk) 08:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
The article you cite is full of half-truths and expressive vocabulary. Under others, it praises the dissolution of Czechoslovakia by the Munich agreement, which was basically the begin of nazistic expansion in WWII.
I have no idea, how this project got funding from EU.
147.175.98.213 (talk) 18:44, 27 December 2007 (UTC)