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To-do list for Slayers: edit · history · watch · refresh
  • Differentiate the Anime from the Manga and the Novel.
  • More detailed citation of sources such as specific episode, or manga, and novel page, also location of interview record and use of DVD or "academic" reviews.
  • Add a synopsis for plot and characters
  • Provide a history of the franchise, insofar as what came first and when


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[edit] No Differentiation between Anime, Manga and Novel

This is a major problem. Most description on this page is not labeled as from the anime (subdivided by TV, movie and OVA), manga or novel and there are major discrepancies between the members of the franchise. Particularly the novels, in which Lina does not throw around overpowered attack spells casually, does not possess super-strength that allows her to, for example, carry Gourry whose obviously three times her size and bodyweight while running (noticably not flying) at full speed (instead narrator-Lina tells us she is rather weak). Instead, Lina possesses supernatural danger-sense that allows her to detect blood lust (Gourry shares this ability), which somewhat makes up for the lack of animanga physics. Additionally, Amelia is described as both older and taller than Lina. Lina also has a hatred of pink in the novels and manga and would probably never wear the sort of outfit she wears in the TV series.

It is possible (probable?) that the movies and OVAs (other than premium) follow the manga universe rather than the TV series. This is true in Ranma 1/2; Ranma only keeps his curse a secret in school in the TV series and Sasuke only appears in the TV series. In one OVA Ranma's gender switching is clearly known before the whole school. 76.238.25.78 07:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Many other differences in the novel include: Lina knows Phil from a previous encounter and meets with Amelia and Phil under very different circumstances. In fact, the timeline is completely different, and there are major characters in the TV series that don't appear in the novel and vice versa. The novel or manga is generally considered cannon and the anime a spinoff, but on this page the anime seems to be represented as gospel (except Hellmaster is described as female, when that's not true in the TV series) and the other members largely ignored. I don't believe we should go so far as to only describe the novels (the anime is far more popular, the novels haven't all been translated and were translated after the anime appeared in the US) but everything needs to be properly categorized. 76.238.25.78 07:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Characters

Adding the Japanese versions of the names (in Japanese characters) might be a nice touch. I think the character set is good - I'm tempted to add Martina or Zangulus, but they're really not major enough to be encyclopedic. DenisMoskowitz 2005 July 1 13:57 (UTC)

I think Martina should be added. She's only in one season, but she's kind of a plot influence. Claudia 21:08, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Fair enough, I just don't want to have a slippery slope that ends up with the article including characters like Noonsa. DenisMoskowitz 15:06, 2005 August 17 (UTC)

If Filia is included, shouldn't Syliphel (spelling?) be listed too?--128.227.171.38 23:52, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Definitely. Why didn't you add her? :) DenisMoskowitz 00:11, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I thought about it, but I was busy with other Slayers pages. ;) Plus, I'm new to the world of Wiki. --Monocrat 00:57, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Welcome to our world, then, and thank you for the suggestion! DenisMoskowitz 02:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I think this section really needs to be expanded, a lot. Many of the characters, but most definitely Lina, have enough history to them that they actually need or deserve their own pages, not just a concise paragraph in the main article. -RannXXV 03:11, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

What's wrong with characters like Noonsa, we have Spot (Star Trek). Who would want to look up a fake cat in an encyclopedia, I don't know. Gerard Foley 16:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I think adding characters like Noonsa and Spot makes the article look fannish - we should be providing an introduction, not an in-depth guide (there are other sites that go into that kind of detail). That said, Spot probably had a lot more screen time than Noonsa, and Star Trek has been seen by many more English-speakers than Slayers (sadly). DenisMoskowitz 21:03, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


I think that both the character section of this profile as well as expanding and furthering character profiles needs to be done. No mention is ever made of any of the villans (Gaab, Valgaab) and some of the character descriptions are extremley lacking- Mafiosostory

I second that. There is no reason why the Wikipedia cannot be detailed, if the main article gets to big, we should just create a second character page or a minor character page and link to it 76.238.25.78 07:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Change in the taunt used by Gourry to use his sword of light "Light, come forth!" is to be "Hikari yo!" in japanese not "Hikari o!". The -よ particle in japanese is used to call on something, for example "oh, god!" is made with "kami yo!" (神よ!)11:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup Tag

That Cleanup Tag moved most of the content right off the first page. I agree with everyone that something must be done with the character section (perhaps something similar to what is going on in the Ranma page) but a big tag that leaves a lot of white space right up on top of the article is very unappealing Jaydubayubee 01:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

The tag is necessary - it informs editors that the section needs cleanup, and puts the article in the appropriate cleanup category. The tag could also go on the top (for layout), but it would be less clear that it's the char section that needs the cleanup. Ninja neko 06:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
It needs to be drastically shortened. While each of the main characters have their own pages, all that character content on the Slayers page is no longer necessary. KyuuA4 21:57, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spell categories

If Brass Ash is a black magic field (as the description states), why it's in Air shamanism?

Because the spell categories are a gigantic mess that needs to be nuked out of the article? :) DenisMoskowitz 15:13, 2005 August 15 (UTC)

Might it be a good idea to collapse the Shamanistic branch of the spells list to just one level with the type of Shamanistic magic of the spell in parentheses? As it is, the extra levels doesn't seem to add much information but clutters up the TOC.--Monocrat 17:09, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Excellent idea. DenisMoskowitz 19:36, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that Chaos Magic is a fan-made term. It is true that Lina has been referred to by Sirius as the one who can access "the powers of chaos", but that does not mean that "chaos magic" exists as a category. (I've seen no mention of it in any official sources.) Ragna Blade and the Giga Slave are better left unclassified, instead of listed under a fan-made name. | Pip25 from KanzakaDex --152.66.128.236 11:07, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spell Lists

I just trimmed down the Spell lists to the ones that seemed important enough to list in the article. If I deleted something I didn't realize was important (I don't know what Naga's signature spells are, for instance) please re-add it. It also looked like a bunch of spells were thrown into the middle of Air Shamanism, so I moved some of those to the correct place (I think). DenisMoskowitz 15:45, 2005 August 17 (UTC)

I see no problem adding all sorts of details but it should be added to another page and linked to the main Slayers page rather than deleted 76.238.25.78 07:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Destroyed by the power"

User:71.35.159.74 changed the end of the Giga Slave incantation from "Let the fools who stand before me be destroyed by the power you and I possess..." to "Let the fools who stand before me be destroyed! By the power you and I possess..." which I think is not correct. I'd have to see the original Japanese to be sure, but I'm having trouble finding it written out. Inverse.org has "destroyed by the power" though. DenisMoskowitz 15:30, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Conventional English grammar and mechanics dictate "destroyed by the power..." The proposed line would be a fragment, which is usually deprecated, and I see no stylistic reasons to override that convention. --Monocrat 20:03, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mazoku

What's a 'mazoku'? Is it a Japanese word for monster or something? Gerard Foley 04:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Mazoku translated directly to "evil race" and is a (AFAIK) Slayers-specific term. The English translation translated it as "monster" but it wasn't used generally for monsters, just for a particular kind that was very powerful. I'll see if I can flesh out that part of the article. DenisMoskowitz 21:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
The term demon is sometimes used in the english translation in both the TV series and novels.76.238.25.78 07:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Look what I just found. Gerard Foley 23:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A better description for Lina

i think lina should be at least mentioned that she is a classic example of an anti-hero, the way she is described portrays her almost as good as amelia felinoel 05:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Done76.238.25.78 07:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zelgadis

in his description his last name is spelled two different ways, which is it?

It really depends on the translation. I'd say leave it as it is till Funimation releases their (hopefully redubbed) version. --ControversialMatt 19:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
http://community.funimation.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=42881&mpage=2&key= Check this out for detailed info on the new release I won't post MSB material but this is all I could find details76.238.25.78 07:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categorizing character titles

It seemed like a logical thing to do to ease finding a character from the table of contents. I was only here to fix a link and thought this might be helpful. If the consensus among the regular editors here is that it is an eyesore, please, by all means, don't think twice about reverting. My stylistic choices may not be the norm here. --Tiresias BC 08:49, 13 November 2006 (UTC)+

[edit] Xellos's Age?

How is it that according to this artical xellos's age never changes throughout the three serieses while all of the other characters age about one year per series... does xellos not age or is it appearence of age. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.220.34.223 (talk) 01:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

Xellos is a Mazoku and was created, not born. It's unlikely that he ages. Mazoku, at least powerful ones, seem to have some ability to choose their form (Hellmaster Phibrizo appeared as a Child, claiming it's easy to manipulate people that way). In Next and Try various dragons the characters speak to mention Xellos participation in a war between the Mazoku and the Dragons, which took place "One-thousand years ago", so he's at least 1000 years old.--Kemnebi 06:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] character section

couple of remarks:

  • is there any reference on their age? The note 'rough estimation' sounds like original research to me - and if so should be removed.
  • it's not advised to put several external links section within the article. If they're references, they should be configured as references.
  • most characters have their own page, so this section could just contain a small description for each character. The voice info, and the external links are also on the character's own page, thus can be removed here.

Ninja neko 12:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

The characters' ages are found in the series' guidebooks, and (although unofficial) fan-interviews with Hajime Kanzaka which were also released in book form (named Blaster!). I agree that a little trimming would be beneficial to the article, some sections seem a bit redundant. --Pip25 14:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
We need to have the characters official ages, cited properly 76.238.25.78 07:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Voice Actors

Removed All non-relevant voice actors (I.E. Non-English, Non-Original VA's) as they do not belong on the English Wiki, they should be kept to their own language specific wiki to help cut down on clutter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.78.110.221 (talk • contribs) August 10

[edit] Greater Beast Zelas Metallium

As it stands, the article (under the subject of Xellos) lists Zelas Metallium as one of the 4 'demon lords', which I assume means the Ma-ou that inhabit the 4 worlds. This is incorrect, and inconsistent with the later parts of the article. She is in fact one of Shabranigdo's 5 mazoku lords. I'm also not sure why Lord of Nightmares is referred to as "Lord of Twilight" here- no where else is she given this name, not even as one of her 'alternate names' in the wikipedia article on her character. 65.24.96.39 23:59, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki Anime Guide

This article completely does not follow this guide. For starters, the long drawn out character descriptions on this article needs to be purged. KyuuA4 19:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

...hence the tag for cleanup. Ninja neko 05:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is Gaav flare really non-functional?

"Such spells include the Gaav Flare (no longer functional after the events of Slayers Next)..." But in Slayers Try Lina used it, and it worked (as far I remember, t's somewhere between 3 and 7 episode...). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.21.43.222 (talk) 11:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't remember Lina using Gaav Flare in Try, but then again, I may not have noticed. When in the season did it happen? In the novels, at least, Gaav Flare is clearly stated as being non functional after Gaav is destroyed in novel 7.Catgirl the Crazy (talk) 15:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New season

According to a blog post on Moonphase, a new season of Slayers in now in production. Anyone know anything about this? ZaininOmega (talk) 00:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Martina and Zoamelgustar

I have issues with this paragraph for Martina:

Her sole powers are drawn from her dark monster god, which not even Xellos or any other Monster antagonists have heard (Xellos: "Never heard of him..."). .... However, at one point she summons Zoamelgustar's power and is able to generate a shield far greater than one that Lina or any of the other spell caster could muster. This is actually auntie Aqua, the remnant of the water dragon god the party met along the way to a Claire Bible[citation needed].

Her powers can't really be drawn from Zoamelgustar as he is made-up. She admits this in the first episode of Slayers Next. Therefore, it's impossible for her to summon his power. The one time she did a successful curse wasn't because of him, but her own (I forget the exact wording) determination and obsession. The shield thing really was Auntie Aqua who was protecting them and came to their rescue using her talisman as a proxy. This is evident seeing as she popped out of the talisman after they stopped running.

Suggestion: Just omit those sentences. Others have said we need to trim down the article for characters on the main page anyway. --Whitetea (talk) 12:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, I removed the part in question. --Pip25 (talk) 12:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Slayers" or "The Slayers"?

Is it Slayers, or The Slayers (with the definite article) in English releases? Even FUNimation shows it both ways: http://funimation.com/slayers/. On FUNimation's site, every logo includes the definite article, while every other text reference leaves it out. --Geopgeop (T) 09:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

It's both. In Japan, it's just Slayers. But when Software Sculptors localized it in the US, they had to change it to The Slayers to avoid licensing issues. This was not an issue for the movies, manga, or novels since most of them had subtitle attached to Slayers, but this may explain why TokyoPop called the 1st novel Slayers: The Ruby Eye when it was only known as Slayers! in Japan. --Whitetea (talk) 01:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shipping adversely effecting article

Shipping (fandom) is a bit of a problem on the Slayer's page. You'll notice constant banter about how character Y seems to have a crush on character Z. "Seems to", is not factual information. Now, I don't care who you think should be with who, the fact is that if it wasn't directly expressed as a FACT in the series, it shouldn't be mentioned in the encyclopedia article. I think that, at the very least, shipping elements needs to be specifically expressed as, "many fans feel that so and so have feelings for each other in the story", or preferably, removed entirely, simply because the whole "omg I luv couple #4552" thing has no place on wikipedia. Perfect Chaos Zero (talk) 13:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I might have overlooked something, but I only saw this in the section belonging to Amelia and Zelgadiss, and I think it describes the situation pretty accurately. "Seems to" is there because both parties involved refuse to admit anything, regardless of it being somewhat obvious to the viewer. The character sections are way too big (perhaps they should be cut completely, seeing that there are already articles on most of the main cast), but this is not a problem with the factual accuracy of the article. --Pip25 (talk) 17:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Confusion with V.As

If this series' american rights now belong to FUNimation, why has FUNimation kept the Central Park Media voice actors and not re-dubbed the series with their own in-house voice actors for the DVDs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.125.218 (talk) 20:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Because that'd be a waste of money to do when there's already a suitable dub. The only reason they redubbed One Piece was because it was NOTORIOUSLY butchered. Funi was, at one point, going to redub the 1st Amelia and Zel VA's with Crispin Freeman and Veronica Taylor and change some of the mistakes, but they claimed they could not get the right materials from the Japanese studio. --Whitetea (talk) 17:23, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Of course, if Slayers Revolution ever gets dubbed, FUNimation will have to dub that with their own voice actors since the Central Park Media actors no longer have the dubbing rights, correct?

It's within the realm of possiblity that they could hire the original actors for consistancy. CPM no longer operates as far as I am aware, so unless those actors are contractually obligated to only dub for some other company, they could very well reprise their roles. Or FUNi/whoever obtains the license could hire the actors from the Premium movie. Or completely new VAs. It's pretty much up in the air, I'd think. megumi (talk) 18:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)