Talk:Silversun Pickups

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[edit] Name collision

The song "Lazy Eye" is also the title of a song by the Goo Goo Dolls, according to the disambig page. So what is the WikiProject Musicians' procedure for disambiguating these two? -- llywrch 23:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

No, as that song wasn't a single and doesn't have a page. Doc Strange 17:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean "no"? That song does have an article, and regardless of whether it was a single or not, it charted on Billboard, hence it achieves notability. The KZA 00:26, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Authorship issue

The Song "Lazy Eye" is a re-working of a previous song by a Taiwanese band - Pendantic Mushroom by Bad Daughter off of their 2003 release, Small Sun. I'm not sure it's credited, but what is the procedure for that? Tothiro 23:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Brian Aubert has stated that the song was written well before the recording of "Carnavas" and that it loosely based on his eyesight when he was younger. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.191.233.161 (talk) 06:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
No it isn't. The two i took the time of downloading the Pandantic Mushroom song. Neither song sounds alike. The only thing the songs have the same is a simple bass line and a title. Doc Strange 12:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

With respect, I'd suggest you give them another listen back to back (perhaps BD first) taking into account the uptempo change in the SSPU version. I think you may notice a clear majority of the guitar work (not just base) is actually identical, though the sequence in which the elements are introduced is different.

So you can make an argument that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana is essentially "More Than A Feeling" by Boston because they share similar guitar work. Doc Strange 14:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Actually, Cobain did say he ripped the riff off right out of "More Than a Feeling". MrHate 12:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
No, he said he ripped of the Pixies on that song. Doc Strange 19:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
A reworking?!? Since when does two songs having simple 8th note bass lines make one of them a "rework" of the other? If so, I think both bands should credit U2's "With or Without You", as an example. If you want to keep discussing technical details, these two songs are in different keys, and they have different chord progressions, for starters. Perhaps you'd have more luck claiming it sounds like [Pachelbel's Canon] Raile 19:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Either way, until the band addresses it (or a reputed music critic) we can't say anything as it is not verifiable. TT 22:27, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the last two people. It's NOT a reworking. At all. No one can claim ownership of an 8th note bass line. And we should wait until either Brian (the writer) or Nikki (the bass player) say anything further. Doc Strange 12:38, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Smashing Pumpkins comparison.

"Silversun Pickups are commonly compared to the Smashing Pumpkins due to the sound of the band and the vocals as well as the fact that the two band names share the same initials."

Is there any sort of source for the claim about the vocals? I'm listening to them right now and hear absolutely no similarity in that particular aspect.

agreed. and. how old is the bass player in this band?

I wholeheartedly agree that there's no comparison detected by my ear. But, because it's a completely sourceless claim, I'm removing it. Feel free to re-insert if anyone has a cite. BlackberryLaw 06:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


Be reminded that from the start, Smashing Pumpkins was wholly Billy Corgan's idea. Even now, SSPU seem like a group, instead of oh, say Brian Aubert taking control of everything. Doc Strange 20:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
That's... not really relevent to anything. MrHate 01:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
The Smashing Pumpkins comparison is quite common. It might not be completely warranted (like the Interpol - Joy Division comparison), but it shows up in almost all of their reviews. See the Pitchfork review of Carnavas,[1]. The subtitle of that review refers to them as "Smashing Pumpkins soundalikes" and the review itself states, "Those nostalgic for Smashing Pumpkins tunes of yesteryear will find them nestled inside the minutes (and there are so many minutes) of 'Lazy Eye'." Brian Aubert commented on the comparison in this article from May 2007 [2]:

"I think it's a cool comparison. I think it's really, I understand it completely. When we were kind of swimming in the indie-er markets, the pool of what people knew about with bands was much larger. They really pulled out amazing things that I was like, 'Yes, that is a Built To Spill rip-off right there.' But with the bigger markets, they're like, 'Built to what?' So the Pumpkins, that was, like, where we landed. We're the new Pumpkins. There's a lot worse things to be, I think."

It might not be relevant to the article, but there are plenty of sources which could be used to verify that the comparison has been made. - Authalic 21:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Anyone who has heard Lazy Eye and doesn't detect any audible similarities between Silversun Pickups and Smashing Pumpkins must be hearing impaired. The tune sounds more like the Pumpkins than the Pumpkins' new single "Tarantula"

I can see why comparisons might be made, but I think it's unfair to say these guys sound like the Pumpkins. I just listened to the first 5 songs of their album to hear for myself and I think they sound MUCH more like Fulflej (who were a band on Iha and Wretzky's "Scratchie" record label). In saying that, I haven't heard "Lazy Eye" yet. MrHate 01:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Wait a sec...is there ANOTHER argument on the talk page? I mean we've already squibbled over the alleged plagarism of an 8th bass note on a song, now were fighting about the influence on SSPU by the Pumpkins? Wikipedia talk pages are not message boards, folks! Doc Strange 18:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Does nobody see the parallel between SSPU's vocals and that of Superjesus' ? (Jet age album- compare to song; gravity) To me, they sound far more alike than smashing pumpkins and sspu. I mean, the lead in SSPU sounds like a female (not that theres anything wrong with that) where Smashing Pumpkin's lead sounds more masculine, twisted, with its occasional angelic qualities and less smooth than sspu and superjesus' spaced out sounds. Levi 4:58, 18th September, 2007 (EST)

Silversun Pickups doesn't sound anything like Smashing Pumpkins to me. They sound like they were influenced by My Bloody Valentine more than any other band. Interstingly enough, so were the Smashing Pumpkins. I think that solves the Smashing Pumpkin issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.242.26.64 (talk) 22:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yes...they sound alot more like MBV than the Pumpkins 24.250.35.215 (talk) 17:34, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

just like to add that the main guitar line in this song has been used countless times, by radiohead, jimi hendrix, smashing pumpkins to name a few. nobody can claim ownership to it. that's like saying "good riddance" is a rip off of "wonderwall" because they both use some of the most common chord conversions in guitar music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.121.58.168 (talk) 21:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions, new information

A mixed version of Lazy Eye is featured on Global Underground 32 Mexico city, by Adam Freeland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.99.76.150 (talk) 22:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)