Talk:Silverstein (band)
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[edit] hardcore
hardcore my eye. half the time the singer sings like the fool from blink 182. then he "screams". more like a hardcore gay band.
[edit] Cleanup and POV
I cleaned up the article significantly, as well as removed some commentary I believed to be in violation of WP:POV Considering the statements removed were based upon some direct quotes or releases, and no references were found, I felt that they were violating POV and WP:BLP If you feel they were improper, ask questions first, revert later? :]// 3R1C 00:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Weasel Wording
The statement.. "While they do ape many elements of these genres, some street team promoters place them in the "emocore" genre." is clear weasel wording and in some way should be rewritten to avoid this
- I am not sure if they actually said that yet (I have not found any proof online of such a quote yet). From what I've seen of them on their videos and such they seem to have a sense of humor (oh wait, humour - they're Canucks) so I wouldn't be surprised if the quote attributed to them is indeed a band quote, albeit a facetious one. Cjmarsicano 06:56, 28 March 2006
- Seems to be taken care of jerkmonkee 18:21, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Thats statement is silly "some team promoters place them in the "emocore" genre. Well yes, that would be an exact description of a blend of Hardcore, Emo and Punk so that sentance uses two phrases to say the same thing.
"Their song "Smashed to Pieces" was used (and butchered) by American Idol contestant Ryan Hart on the January 31, 2006 program." No matter how many people may or may not agree with the statement "butchered", it's obviously nothing but an opinion, completely unnecessary. The ignorant kids who have nothing better to do but insert their opinions into unfortunate article need to..go away. Removed the "(and butchered)". Shatha 19:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] How come no one noticed this line?
- The band's determination to "break down the boundaries" between their bank accounts and their fans' wallets prevents them from being so easily categorized.
This line is obviously a piece of vandalism. I've deleted it from the main article. To the ignorant piece of shit that posted it to the article, I say... start your own band. Cjmarsicano 06:02, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I laughed, at least. 71.19.6.20 15:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Also... Why is there a picture of Chris Masters in a sombrero as their main picture?
- Because someone is "updating" the pictures on a number of band articles. You have to click on the picture, go to a previous version, and select revert.--Wehwalt 16:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] genre
-Silverstein is a melodic post-hardcore band. They are not screamo/emo. LISTEN TO THEIR MUSIC, its easy to tell. Iii9ix3 04:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. Discovering the Waterfront has a real melodic sense to it, definately not classifiable as screamo, same in Ides of March.Starom*** 18:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
--Listen to their lyrics. Listen to Told's vocals. They are no doubt a post-hardcore band first and foremost, but they can most certainly be classified as emo as well. I know people like to deny certain bands are emo, but I see no reason not to classify Silverstein as emo. - Razorhead 1 April 2007
- They are a emo/screamo band because they call themselves emo/screamo so don't whine about it.
- I added Emo, Punk Revival, and Screamo to the list of genres (which had previously only listed post-hardcore), and added a reference to all four (allmusic.com) which I've seen listed as a reference on several other band pages. I agree, they are predominantly Post-Hardcore, but you can't deny that they are a mix of Emo and Punk as well, and some of their earlier work most definitely could be described as Screamo. - Syncretic 2 May 2007
In my opinion they Are emo but not that Mtv emo, they are the true emo!Xr 1 20:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I guess you've never heard bands like Rites of Spring and Embrace then? Inhumer 20:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
they don't sound exactly like the bands you mention because these bands existed in the 80s.I've heard Rites of Spring.They were one of the first bands to make emo which came out of hardcore punk and that's why their sound is closer to hardcore and punk. And give me one reason Not to call Silverstein emo. And why is Silverstein Emo- [1],[2] Here are some other soucres but although they're not so reliable. [3], [4], [5] [6] [7] [8] I'll stop adding emo because you'll change it everytime.And post-hardcore is a term that covers emocore,metalcore,screamo etc. Xr 1 20:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Guys, everyone is gonna say something about a genre of a band but seriously. does anyone care if someone else thinks they are emo or not? really. stop argueing and just take it for what it is.
Why someone bothers to change it - I've added a source.the removing of emo is made just on personal opinion disregarding the source.Wikipedia works with sources and removing thing I've found source for is wrong. Xr 1 08:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
- I haven't touched your edits myself, but I looked at your source, and it doesn't say they are emo. It says they combine elements of emo with elements of hardcore and metal. (I am paraphrasing, but that is the gist of it).--Wehwalt 14:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah,that's right.In the source is said that they combine emo with other styles.Which means that in the genre section emo should be included as well. And anywhere you look you'd see Silverstein described as an emo band.I also add another reference if the first is not enought.Xr 1
First thing emo back in the days is not exactly the same as emo is now, but hardcore in the old days isn't the same as hardcore is now. Second thing, why should you call something emo? What's the big difference between emo and post hardcore?
I guess you ment 'First thing hardcore back in the days is not exactly the same as hardcore is now, but emo in the old days isn't the same as emo is now' because amo get musch indie, alt.rock, post-punk influences since its creating.And some bands get more pop elements and became mainstream which started the mtv emo.. However bands like silverstein resembles the music from the second wave but it's made in a contemprary way and lacks this pop thing. Post-hardcore describes anything experimental that came from hardcore punk (like post-punk and punk).In that case - emocore Is Post-hardcore.
Post hardcore has to contain some elements of hardcore punk to be considered of post hardcore, like thrice "Hold fast hope" and enter shakari "Sorry you're not a winner" are both post hardcore. the song i'm listening doesn't have any hardcore to it (smile in your sleep) the screamings more metal. Xr 1 23:13, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
How are they not emo?They have lyrics about pushing blades into their veins(bleeds no more)wich really isn't emo because emo means emotional,but then again they also have very emotional lyrics,and they scream,alot.Although not every band that uses screaming is emo,its only screamo when you combine the screaming with the emo,wich is what silverstein is.There not metal,no distortion on guitars,no agressive lyrics nor vocals,they would be metalcore before metal,and there really not metalcore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.235.186.185 (talk) 00:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
The kid above me has no idea wtf hes talking about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.189.82 (talk) 01:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] THEY ARE EMOCORE/POST-HARDCORE/SCREAMO
LOOK AT THEIR MYSPACE PAGE www.myspace.com/silverstein
Theres a difference between emo and emocore.. emocore refers to the wave of hardcore punk that was emotional. it was still hardcore punk though. Emo was what came after(Moss Icon); it which was talking instead of yelling; it was no longer hardcore punk. Then there was hardcore emo, which was chaotic version of emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.118.197 (talk) 21:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.4.8 (talk) 01:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I think that you should label them as everything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CalebChaos (talk • contribs) 10:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Silverstein 12.jpg
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[edit] Assassination of Julius Caesar?
I highly doubt that the song "Ides of March" is "based on the assassination of Julius Caesar", I mean, listen to the lyrics. If you read the wiki article on "Ides of March" you'll read that "The term has come to be used as a metaphor for impending doom." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xjuliix (talk • contribs) 19:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Agreed, and as I couldn't find anything supporting that, it is most likely somone's opinion. Deleted. 72.87.63.14 (talk) 20:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
