Talk:Siege of Paris (885-886)

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1 Duke of France?
2 Source requested
3 to holger D.
4 Restoring some clearer, more specific, more accurate previous wording
5 franks flag

[edit] Duke of France?

"... The chief ruler in the region around Paris (the Île-de-France) was the duke of France (also count of Paris), whose controlled the lands between the Seine ..." Is "Duke of France" an anachronism in 885? If the person in charge in 885 were identified, this might be better. --Wetman 16:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

The region around Paris (the Île-de-France) was then called "Francia" informally, because it was the original Francia from where the Franks spread out over the rest of Gaul and Germania. This term evolved into France and when Hugh Capet ascended the throne, his titles of dux Franciae and rex Francorum merged into roi de France as we know it. So it is not anachronistic, though perhaps in need of a little explanation. In 885, it was Odo of course. Srnec 20:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Source requested

The Vikings asked the twelve to surrender, but they refused. Eleven were killed and the twelfth captured. He broke free and killed many men before he was finally stopped. This sounds a bit unbelievable.. is there any source for this statement? -- Obradović Goran (ta^lk 02:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] to holger D.

You have to prove the wrong. The fact is the vikings in France were and were called Danes, by them and by them self. Actually there is no facts or sources of other norsemen in that siege. But some historians believe that there were others norsemen recruited, the same thing about the "Great Heathen Army" of England. The Danes was enemy of the Franks that time, and had many fights in years before and after the Siege, Mostly about the Saxony territory, that was an important territory for trading. --Arigato1 21:22, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Restoring some clearer, more specific, more accurate previous wording

The following should be clear to everyone (Wetman 05:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)):

"adjacent regions in Gaul and Germania." Better former version "adjacent regions in Gaul and Germania, areas where many navigable rivers offered access." The Viking invasion routes were up the navigable rivers, an important piece of information.
"the duke of France" Better former version "the duke of Francia" The "duke of France" is a nonsensical anachronism.
"West Francia (modern France)". Better former version: "West Francia (the kernel of modern France)" Modern France, after all, also includes Brittany, Aquitaine, Septimania, Burgundy and Provence.
"Hopes were raised with this unification". Better former version "Hopes were raised with this reunification" Reminding the reader that the Carolingian kingdoms had formerly been unified.
"Odo was prepared for the arrival of the Vikings. In terms of fortifications, that is, for he had two towers guarding each bridge." Better former version "Odo prepared for the arrival of the Vikings, by fortifying the bridgehead with two towers guarding each bridge." A complete sentence rather than an awkward fragment added as if an afterthought.
"and plea with Charles." Better former version "and plead with Charles" The verb is to plead.
"For his inaction Charles was despised in his western realm. He was deposed in 887." Pointlessly deleted.

[edit] franks flag

is there a flag for the Franks (Francs)? strange there is no french version not even a stub about this french history event. Paris By Night 14:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)