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[edit] "Muslims were killed..."

""The Muslims were killed, and the city was thoroughly submitted to one week of rape, murder and plunder. By some accounts as many as 50,000 men, women and children were butchered, and not a single woman was left unmolested. King Afonso was reported to have been so sickned by the carnage that he threatened to abandon the city and the crusaders. This finally put an end to the mayhem.""

The above text was deleted from the page , it does not agree with the Osbernus account of the siege of Lisbon ( at least seams like it was in a lesser scale) . Do provide the sources of "some accounts"...if you want to revert it back to the page.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.152.94.142 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Commanders

Arnold III of Aerschot, Christian of Ghistelles, Simon of Dover, Andrew of London and Saher of Archelle are not listed in Runciman and are of questionable notability. Does anyone have a citation for these fellows? -- Secisek (talk) 08:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah they're listed at the beginning of the anonymous De expugnatione Lyxbonensis (The Conquest of Lisbon, trans. by Charles Wendell David). Jonathan Phillip's new book also mentions them on page 143. Adam Bishop (talk) 08:22, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I think they are going to red link until the end of time because that is probably the only place they are named. Are they notable to include?

I think they should be named here as the leaders of the expedition, but without the wikilinks. I don't know about the others but Arnold could have an article...he was related to Godfrey of Bouillon, ruled an imperial county, and is attested in other places unrelated to the crusade. But I don't imagine anyone ever bothering to write about him, so he can remain unlinked until someone does. Adam Bishop (talk) 08:59, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll add them back in, but unlinked. -- Secisek (talk) 09:12, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] In fiction

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The Nobel Prize-winning author José Saramago wrote a novel about the history of the siege História do Cerco de Lisboa (1989) (English: The History of the Siege of Lisbon (1996)), wherein a character imagines the implications of the Crusaders electing not to aid King Afonso Henriques.

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This is uncited and not directly related to the history of the battle or the effect of it. If this is returned, please cite this material. -- Secisek (talk) 08:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)