Talk:Shomrim (volunteers)

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Is it just me, or does this entire article seem like a love letter to this organization? 122.148.184.76 06:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

If you can write it better, why don't you?--Redaktor 14:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 This article should be flagged for cleanup. 2 crownheights shomrim 3 Agreeing to cleanup this mess 4 NPOV 5 Trying to clean up article

[edit] This article should be flagged for cleanup.

It reads like a pamphlet on this organization and not an encyclopedic entry. It is obviously copied from some kind of article written about this organization. As a lifelong Brooklyn resident I can say that this organization is not the sunshine and clovers portrayed in this article. As evidenced in the article itself, they routinely "stop and question strangers" in their neighborhoods. They have also been charged with excessive force on many occasions. Kingbinary 08:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingbinary (talk • contribs) 17:13, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

THere are a lot of POV statesments in this article, one going so far as to claim that it is NOT a POV statement. Also some derogatory comments toward the end that cite no sources claiming that shomrim volunteers apprehend and BEAT suspects prior to police arrival. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.43.110 (talk) 02:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] crownheights shomrim

I can personally testify to the great work shomrim does. I have seen them save a life on one occasion and have called upon them when I was in distress and you can be certain they pulled through for me. I will go even further and say that even when it comes to non-emergency's they are there to help, like lock-outs etc. Also what it says in the article that shmira has more units then shomrim this is true in quantity but certainly not in quality. It says in the article that's most residence prefer to call shmira over shomrim, I have trouble digesting that fact for as I live in crownheights and between the peopole I know most of them have the shomrim hot-line on speed-dial. Also as of the present shmira is not under the auspices of the crownheights community council. May shomrim have much success crownheights loves you!.                                     66.8.202.60 (talk) 21:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)crownheights resident±

[edit] Agreeing to cleanup this mess

Its irrelevant whether you agree or not with the Shomrim's action. The way this thing reads is definitely *not* an encyclopedic article, but a blanket pamphlet of this group. Someone should write it better. How could you possibly argue that a words like "ingenuity" and the like are products of a particular marketing and not an objective argument? 76.15.177.207 (talk) 12:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

It was very kind of the previous editors to note that this article is POV but not touch it. I have flagged it as POV. The article was unbelievable: "The organization's professionalism is exemplary." "From the beginning, the Maccabees established itself as a citizen task-force that worked hand-in-hand with the local authorities, never overstepping the boundaries of its own capabilities." And there is no mention of the 1991 Crown Heights riots, in which these task forces played a significant role. Ipsenaut (talk) 05:16, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trying to clean up article

I keep trying to fix article and make it factual, but it keeps getting changed back to the same public relations lies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Attention whore (talk • contribs) 22:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

You're clearly trying to be inflammatory, if you have criticism of the group (I'm sure you do) phrase it in neutral manner without commentary and source it and it will stay - Schrandit (talk) 22:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)