Talk:Shodokan Aikido
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Hello all,
I have written an extensive article about Shodokan Aikido in German. Does anyone mind if I would replace / complete the present article against an English translation of my German article?
Hendric Stattmann --80.218.34.196 00:02, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
You may have a look at the English part of www.shodokan.ch... I wrote / translated most of it myself.
With regards, Hendric --Hendric Stattmann 09:22, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Tomiki or Shodokan?
I recall hearing that Kenji Tomiki-sensei himself preferred the name 'Shodokan' aikido, probably considering calling a style after himself to be rather arrogant. Perhaps the page's main title should be changed to reflect this. I believe Shodokan is also the current official name of the ryu.
- It's kind of complicated. AIUI, Shodokan is the official name of the style controlled by the JAA and affiliates. However, there is some political conflict over the name, as the Waseda University group (where Tomiki founded the style) resent that the style is named after the Shodokan hombu dojo, which was formed later. "Tomiki Aikido" is the usual compromise. But then there's the fact that other styles descended from Prof. Tomiki's style, such as Karl Geiss' Fugakukai, also refer to themselves as Tomiki aikido. So Tomiki Aikido "proper" is synonymous with Shodokan Aikido but less divisive, while "greater" Tomiki Aikido also includes offshoots. — Gwalla | Talk 21:56, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Really not so complicated - the Waseda group have been on board for quite some time now. Still, as long as Shodokan Aikido links to the same article its no biggy. Peter Rehse 03:48, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
We need an administrator's help to move Tomiki Aikido to Shodokan Aikido mainly because the latter is a redirect page to the former. I've asked for help to do this. The three other language articles on Tomiki Aikido all are titled Shodokan Aikido - I think the English article should be the same.Peter Rehse 08:33, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Judo Influence
I deleted the reference to Judo influence because it leaves the impression that the techniques taught include Judo techniques that were not taught by Ueshiba M. In actual fact Tomiki was very clear that the practice of Judo and Aikido were separate. Where similar Aikido techniques were found in Judo or other Koryu the relationship is made known but that is not the same as importing techniques. The greatest Judo influence was the inclusion of randori (already mentioned), the way ukemi is done (safer for randori) and the absence of hakama during usual practice (again safer for randori).Peter Rehse 03:48, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
- Since it is well known in the aikido world that "Tomiki aikido is influenced by judo", it is probably better to explain what these influences are than just removing them. I added something back - please improve. / Habj 04:35, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Agreed and hopefully improved.Peter Rehse 13:26, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Professor
Was Tomiki sensei a university professor, or is it a try to translate a Japanese title to English? If the latter, I think it should be rephrased or removed since it is confusing. // Habj 23:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
He was a full Professor of Physical Education (specifically to teach Judo and Aikido) at Waseda Daigaku.Peter Rehse 02:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- OK. Just asking since the translation of various honorific titles to "Professor" etc are not uncommon. // Habj 18:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Its a fair question - way too many people adopt academic titles for martial arts in the west. As an academic I find it annoying. As an aside it was really weird a couple of weeks ago to have a couple of French people refer to me and my assistant as Professors during the after training beer.Peter Rehse 00:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Caps
I have removed unnecessary and AFAIK incorrect capitalization in the text, of words that are not true names. Regarding Shodokan Aikido - should it be Shodokan aikido or not? My take is, if it is the word of an organisation it should - otherwise not. I.e. Aikikai is an org, thus capitalised, Aikikai aikido is the aikido done in Aikikai and thus no caps are used on aikido. Regarding Shodokan Aikido, I do not know what is referred to - the organisation, or the way of training. // Habj 22:17, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually both Aikikai Aikido and Shodokan Aikido are proper names and therefore Aikido should be capitilized. Aikido in isolation should not be for the usual reasons. Aikikai and Shodokan could be used by themselves with the aikido implied but again if Aikido is included it should be capitilized. Shodokan refers both to the organization and possibly much more than the Aikikai a way of training.Peter Rehse 01:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Penalties
I hope no one minds that I added "chui" and "shido" to the scoring section. Could someone write something about Hansoku-make and Itami-wake? Flynn-sensei never explained these to me.
Hey no problems - I think the whole article needs expansion. Right now the emphasis seems a bit heavy on shia - I think it would be great it there could be some description of the role of kata in Shodokan training. I've been thinking of doing that myself for quite a while but time is not being kind to me at the moment. Give my regards to Sean but you need to ask him about those terms rather than some faceless one on the internet.Peter Rehse 02:35, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] styles template
IMHO the "major styles" template is more trouble than value. I have removed it from the articles and started discussion on Template talk:Major styles of aikido. // habj 12:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
