Talk:Shibui

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Can you get any sources that show that 渋い is an aesthetic, and not just a broad adjective? This is very similar to the problem that we have with the kawaii article.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  13:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Both the Kodansha Encyclopedia of Japan and Louis Frederic's "Japan Encyclopedia" have entries on 渋い, describing it as an aesthetic and an important element of artistic and cultural history. Neither of these texts tend to include Japanese terms that translate directly into English; they focus only on those unique to Japanese culture which require some further explanation. I'd understand if you'd like to see some more academic scholarly sources that aren't encyclopedias; I just don't happen to have those sources in front of me right now. LordAmeth 15:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem, I guess I'll have to pick me up a copy of Kodansha myself one of these days. A specific reference to the American magazine you stated would be perfect, though as it's pretty old that might be difficult. Forgive me for questioning the integrity of your article, though it's becoming more and more necessary to do so recently.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  06:14, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

No need to apologize. I understand... it is truly a fine line between what's encyclopedia and what's just dictionary material. LordAmeth 12:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)