Talk:Shelob

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I always thought that Lazylob and Atterkob where just insults that Bilbo used in his taunts of the spiders, not references to or names of actual spiders. Does anyone know if the references/names were intentional? Jketola 18:32 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)

I'm with you on this, I took it to be just a generic insult, and don't believe any spiders were ever individually named in The Hobbit. Besides, it was "Attercop" anyway, not "Atterkob". ;) -- John Owens 18:42 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)

They're insults for spiders, not names Bilbo gave them. Come from old words for spider. — Jor (Talk) 10:49, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hmm, I was going to be bold and just delete that paragraph, but then I realized I don't quite recall whether it was ever stated more generally that her offspring migrated to Mirkwood, which would warrant keeping that paragraph around in an altered form. Anyone have a reference handy? -- John Owens

It's mentioned in narrative, I looked it up some time ago. Something along the lines of that Sauron introduced her offspring to Mirkwood when he occupied Dol Guldur. — Jor (Talk) 10:49, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

TTT, chapter "Shelob's lair": (After a note on how she is like the spiders of Beleriand) Far and wide her lesser broods, bastards of the miserable mates, her own offspring, that she slew, spread from glen to glen, from the Ephel Dúath to the eastern hills, to Dol Guldur and the fastnesses of Mirkwood. — Jor (Talk) 11:09, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The story does in fact not suggest that she was killed. It rather points out that her final fate was unknown " Shelob was gone; and whether she lay long in her lair, nursing her malice and her misery, and in slow years of darkness healed herself from within, rebuilding her clustered eyes, until with hunger like death she spun once more her dreadful snares in the glens of the Mountains of Shadow, this tale does not tell." CharonX 02:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

A couple of questions: - Why is Bilbo's song from The Hobbit on this page? Aside from the spider connection, I can't see how it is relevant - surely there are directly related quotes that would work better? - Also, where is she referred to as "Spider of Darkness"? Could someone please provide a reference from a Tolkien text to support that inclusion? Faerie Queene (talk) 03:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)