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[edit] References, Links

this page includes a large amount of history, yet has only 1 reference and 3 links. I think this page needs more references and citations--pmoney 09:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Stormbay, why did you remove my references tag? the article obviously lacks sources - how do we know any of this information is accurate? where did it come from? sources are needed. I'm tagging it again. PMoney 06:22, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

One narrowly focussed source is mentioned in the entire article. This page amply deserves the unreferenced tag.Hughespj 12:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


Well, "Seven Years" is the name of the war. THat's how it was written at the time, no?

Anyway, the page says that france had "4 islands left" but it had the Louisiana purchase as well, didn't it? SpookyMulder 18:08, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

No; France sold it to Spain, which was under less pressure to make peace. Napoleon "persuaded" Spain to give it back in 1802, when he had plans in the New World. Septentrionalis 04:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
It would be incorrect to claim that France had only four islands left. They still had French Guiana, in addition to several islands: Martinique, Guadeloupe, St Barthélemy, Saint Martin, Saint-Pierre, Miquelon, etc. Bastin8 23:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Participants

The infobox makes a gross simplification of the war. It leaves out some major combatants (e.g. Spain), vassals (e.g. Ireland), national monopolists (e.g. BEIC), and German states (e.g. Hesse-Kassel). Although, of course, it would be difficult to name all combatants, having smaller flags (or none at all) may go some way to persuading the reader that the list isn't as authoritative as it seems to be. Alternatively, as with WW1 and WW2, it could list the main countries, and link to an article detailing all combatant nations. Bastin8 23:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure exactly how to do this, so you can move or even delete this if it's wrongly placed, but I noticed one small matter that may not even be a problem: Half of the artical's dates are written DD MM, then all of the sudden they change to MM DD, I'm not sure if it matters, just thought I'd mention it.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was no consensus. —Nightstallion (?) 10:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Seven Years' War -> Seven Years War. I recommend deleting the apostrophe; it is unnecessary and unidiomatic in English. The result of this vote should be applied to subpages and categories for consistency, without separate discussion. Septentrionalis 17:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Voting

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
  • Support Septentrionalis 17:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - without the apostrophe it should be "Seven-Year War"
  • Oppose - see Talk:Hundred Years' War.
  • Support' -- The war does not belong to seven years it is a war seven years long. We do not write "Anglo-French's war" --Philip Baird Shearer 13:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - ungrammatical and not hard to type. -- Arwel (talk) 16:41, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - war does not belong to Seven Years, nor is Seven Years war. -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 05:23, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - This is a stupid discussion. It is a war of Seven Years. Therefore it is possessive, therefore an apostrophe. QED.
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] featured article status?

it would take a lot of work, but I would like to see this article reach featured article status. I would like to see this happen because I believe the majority of americans are unaware of the entire scope of this war. I know my personal american public education experience only covered the events involving the colonies. this war had far reaching consequences, and like the churchill quote suggests, is essentially the first world war. it can be argued that this war influenced and set many things in motion that have impacted the history of and formation of the modern western world. many americans are oblivious to this war outside of the american side of it. perhaps this goal is a bit ambitious considering the amount of information inluded in this article, but I would like to see it happen. PMoney 07:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey there folks.

Hey everyone, I am User: J Dogg and I think this is a fantastic page. However, it could use some expanding. I would like to help. I wrote a 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 page research paper on the North American part of the War, French and Indian War for my Canadian History course (I am Canadian). I recieved a 97 % on the paper and have credible sources (Several books including a book less than one year old.) I expanded several sections about the North American part of the war. My sources are: 1. Empires at War: The struggle for North America by William H Fowler Jr. Published in Vancouver by Douglas & McIntyre Ltd. 2005. 2. With Wolfe to Quebec by Oliver Warner, published in Toronto by William Collins Sons * Company Ltd. 1972 3. History of Europe Since 1500 (revised edition) by Hayes and Coles. Published in New York by MacMillian Company. 1956

Also, the proper name of the War is the Seven Years' War, this name was the name that is used in all of the articles and books that I have encountered.

I also plan on expanding more of the North American aspects of the war in the near future. If anyone has any questions or comments/feedback, then please contact me at User talk: J Dogg J Dogg 21:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)J Dogg

[edit] Indians?

the nine-year North American conflict or the Indian campaigns which lasted 15 years (including Pontiac's Rebellion), which are known as the French and Indian War.

Does "Indian campaigns" and "French and Indian War" refer to the conflict in India, or to the involvement of American Indians? This should be clarified.

Native Americans, see French and Indian War under "nomenclature". --Awiseman 21:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pomeranian War

The introduction states that this was also known as the Pomeranian War, but there is no more about this in the article. I'm assuming it was also called this because the Prussians and Russians largely fought in Pomerania, but if someone can clarify this point, I would appreciate it. --Raulpascal 16:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Pardon, I meant Sweden and Prussia, not Russia and Prussia. --Raulpascal 16:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] War Trivia

If anyone cares, in this period, an army of 100 thousand would be accompanied by 40 thousand horses, which would need to graze 324ha pasture/day (meaning campaigning between October & May was next to impossible), & bread wagons would deliver up to 64km. See Dyer, War. Trekphiler 19:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Complete re-write

There is so much wrong with this article – this is one of the major wars of history.

Structurally and substantially, the article needs a complete overhaul eg; The section called ‘Start of the war’ consist of just two sentences.

Why is there a list of battles at the end of the article? Isn’t that what campaign boxes are for?

There’s no in-line citation and the references are very poor.

Would it be possible for someone ie: me, to completely re-write the article? Would anyone have any objections? Raymond Palmer 23:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

By all means, tear it apart. In its current form the article is appalling (Do people seriously believe that the Battle of the Monongahela was relevant to the European war in the slightest, and that George Washington's reputation is a more compelling subject of historical analysis than, say, the 1,000 men fallen in Braddock's ignominious defeat?). Albrecht 22:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Please please rewrite. As it stands, the article is a bit of a muddle. Just scanning it, it seems to put so much weight on the North American campaigns, as if the European theatre grew out of it. Let's have a well-constructed article with lots of good narrative and analysis! --Iacobus 01:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I got lost reading : "Prussia had the protection only of Great Britain, which was given because the ruling dynasty saw its ancestral Hanoverian possession as being threatened by France."

Courtesy of Gavla 05:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Considering the fact that the battles in North America began before war was declared you could say that the European conflict did grow out of it. Not only that but also considering that France was defeated here before anywhere else this gave England the ability to shift troops to new theatres win there then shift even more troops to another front so you could say British victory in North America caused a domino affect. Just a few of my thoughts. User:ShadowLands

Yes, I think it should be rewritten as the significance of the war on the European front doesn't really come across. And, I need for it to come across really well and memorably, and preferrably in the first few paragraphs because I am using wikipedia to study for my Western Civilization II exam, and for everything else but this, so far (esp. for wc I), it has been great. I'd offer to help, but as you can read, I don't know anything about it. Thank you to anyone who will rewrite it well.

[edit] Dots on the map?

What are the green dots on the map of Poland? It's in Polish. --AW 22:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if anyone still cares, but in that info box on the map the title at the top basically says "operations/workings of the Russian army in Polish territory during Seven Years' War 1756-1762", then the green arrows are to represent "movement of the Russian army", and the green dots are "winter bases of the Russian army" (in that last one, it could be "bases" or "camps" or something similar) Sebastian32 04:01, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I updated the caption --AW 15:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move American content to French and Indian War page?

I think that part of the problem with this page is that it trys to span both sides of the Atlantic, while maintaining a separate page for the French and Indian War. Maintaining the large amount of American content on this page only slows down and distracts from the european part of the war. The two pages should certainly make reference to each other, but too much focus on american content may be part of what is distracting from conveying the european war. -Gomm 00:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

As the naming section says
"The Seven Years' War, despite separation from England. The North American theatre is called the French and Indian War in the United States but not in Britain, Canada, or France, where it is treated as part of the larger conflict."
It was a (the?) major theatre for the British, as it has been moved out of this article then the introduction in the article [French and Indian War]] needs to be changed to reflect this. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 09:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flag of Russia?

is that the appropriate flag for the Russian Empire during this time?

[edit] Sugar?

In the Peace section, it doesn't seem very smart that France having to choose between New France (HUGE portion of land) and Guadeloupe (an island of just 1600km2) would choose the latter just because it could provide her with sugar. Of course all this based on today's standards. Could someone who knows, expand in the text on this decision by France? Perhaps explain why sugar supply was so important and why exactly France couldn't get its supply from somewhere else. Thanx!

Well I imagine that French rule in New France a.k.a. North America was severly eroded by a larger and more successful British Regular and Militia force. So its not so much of a choice here, they "chose" to keep the sugr island cos its more tenable. Large amounts of land are not of any strategic value unless they contain a large population (for raising troops or workers) or resources. Look at Siberia, that did not help Russia very much in world war 1 for example, so it does make sense sometimes to give up large land for less.Tourskin 00:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Sugar was a really important resource back then as well, it was really valuable. --AW 15:25, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No India?

Has anyone noticed that the only reference that this page (Oct 18) has of the Indian theater of the Seven Years War was a link to French India and no mention of Clive? It's like someone a hundred years from now decides to drop the War in the Pacific from a seemingly extensive article on WWII simply because it is considered too trivial to mention. Edital 21:35, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Messed up info box

The contents is in teh war box and there is lots of un-recognized code there. Someone please fix it, I have no idea what the intended layout was.Tourskin 00:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Apostrophe?

Why is there an apostrophe after the word "years". This would denote posession, which doesn't seem logical. The absence of an apostrophe would mean that there were more than 1 year involved. Wouldn't this be more logical? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.181.161.250 (talk) 18:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit links messed up

The edit links for Names, Causes, and War Begins are all appearing right above War Begins for me. I'm running Firefox 2.0.0.11 on Ubuntu, and I've never seen this problem before. JoshNarins (talk) 18:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] smollett history of the seven years' war.

Hi. i have the smollett history of this war and it is comtemporary (or very nearly so) to the actual events. it is clear that he has had access to official documents, war diaries, gazettes etc and it is written as a quasi chronicle, almost on a day to day basis. my edition is 1822, but the text was written circa 1765. i would be willing to upload this material (it would take a while to prepare, there is a lot of it) if the original compilers/editors of this page would be interested and feel that it would be useful. would somebody let me know please. bruce —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bruce Condell (talk • contribs) 14:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea, but it should probably be uploaded to Wikisource rather than directly here. Kirill 04:19, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pomeranian War

Pomeranian War redirects here and the only mention of it is in the headline, telling me briefly that the Seven Years' War encompasses the Pomeranian War. I'm assuming the Pomeranian War was either a war fought over little dogs, or had something to do with Germany (Saxony). Maybe Pomeranian War should be described or mentioned(if it is already described) or a seperate article could be created for it, as the French & Indian War article. Ask D.N.A.- Peter Napkin (talk) 11:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC) I was just wondering why the article references Japan having an army of Ninja turtles..... someone has a sense of humour----Gigi

[edit] Which Prussian flag is right?

The infobox in the article uses both Image:Flag of Prussia (1701).gif and Image:Flag of Prussia (1750).gif. Judging by the years during which the war took place, I am tempted to say that the 1750 version is the correct one, but want confirmation. It Is Me Here (talk) 17:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] War in the colonies

The section of this article title "War in the Colonies" is largely redundant. I'm going to delete the unnecessary parts.--Bosco 12 (talk) 23:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

sorry... I misread it--Bosco 12 (talk) 23:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)