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[edit] Notice

Please follow proper Wikipedia discussion page format when adding to this page. Avengerx 14:18, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] College

"While in college, Serj maintained a 4.0 grade average." Does anyone have any more information about this? As in, where did he go, when did he graduate, etc.? I've looked for it online but can't find it.. --DanielNuyu 00:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

All I could find is where he went for College and what degree he received, nothing yet on grades or what years. ☭ moizkhan (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

Since when is Serj Tankian a Muslim???--KingVegeta2000 03:48 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Until This can be properly cited I am removing any reference to his mother being a muslim or him being a muslim this is how rumors get started--KingVegeta2000 18:59 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Very well, I have allied myself with KingVegeta2000 and we will take out facts of his religion, whether thats Islam, Christianity or whatever religion until it is proplerly sourced since someones religion is personal and its not nice to spread rumours about it. --Enter the chicken

Where, if you can cite it, I'd be interested in seeing it.--KingVegeta2000 08:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Most Armenians are Christian. It'd be very unlikely that Serj Tankian is a Muslim, unless he converted to Islam. -- Augustgrahl 14:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

He was born in Lebanon; a good percentage of that country is Muslim; but around 40 percent is Christian. I have never seen him affiliate himself with either religion...or any religion for that matter... -- NBAwire:syxx 00:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Serj Tankian is Armenian. A good percentage of Armenians in the world, especially in Lebanon, are Christian. Chances of him being Muslim are very dismal. He has never affiliated himself with any religion, true. But he was most probably baptised Christian, as it is Armenian tradition to do so. He would have also announced in an interview or his own website if he had converted to Islam anyway. Fedayee 00:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Good points there; I wonder if "Enter the Chicken" was actually serious when he posted that since he hasn't returned since. NBAwire:syxx 00:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

i think heard that he converted to islam somewhere on the net it was backed up with a interview? any ideas? but there are armenian atheists, christans and muslims? there are some fans of Serj believe that he's an atheist... I guess THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE! Even if he's a muslim? What will you do? protest? :-D Stop listening to SoAD?

Serj has stated in an interview [1] that he believes in the spirituality of pre-civilized cultures. However, he doesn't name any particular religion, so it's probably best not to label him as anything for the purposes of the article. Now, there's nothing wrong with him being a Muslim, or atheist, or anything else. However, it would be at best adding unverified information to the article to say that he is a Muslim, and any potentially contentious statements in the biographies of living people are in special need of credible sources. -- Augustgrahl 04:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

HEY THE SITE SAYING HE WAS A MUSLIM WASFAKE. BUT KEEP SEARCHING EVERYBODY THEIRS BOUND TO BE A LINK TO HIS RELIGION SOMEWHERE Enter the chicken

Q: What are your views on religion and what effect do you think it has on American culture? What are your beliefs on God or organized religion? Do you believe in a "cosmic mutual mind connection"?

A: That's a hell of a question (smirk).. All modern religions were born out of this 10,000 year old civilization. None have any direct lineage to our indigenous past. The indigenous life had intuition, understanding and respect for why we're here as an element of nature, equal by definition. Modern civilization has instead nurtured the mind versus the heart and has gotten us all lost in the process. All modern organized religions have parts of the truth embedded in them, though none present the full answer. Every time I'm asked about my religion or spiritual practices, I tell journalists to go ask the tree outside, cause it's the same one.

This is excellent its from the serjical strike myspace site...would this lead to him being an animist i believe someone made that comment, he probably doesn't believe in any organized modern religion or any religion at all KingVegeta2000 08:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we could quote him about his religious views, but I wouldn't do anything more than that. -- Augustgrahl 12:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

It will probably be best to leave out mention of his religion as it is currently rather ambiguous, clearly he does follow believe in some sort of personal spiritual being, but defining it as something with the current evidence would be wrong. ☭ moizkhan (talk)


[edit] Engaged??

Delete anything that says he is engaged unless it is properly cited. As of December 2007 no information is available that would prove he was engaged. ☭ moizkhan (talk)

Serj got married with Angela Madatyan (an armenian actress) on October 23/05 in Vanadzor (Armenia). Here is the page: http://www.soadfans.com/index.php?module=PhotoGallery&do=showpic&pid=554&orderby=dateD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.230.237.163 (talk) 16:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC) and here is other page that prove it: http://hyeforum.com/lofiversion/index.php?t12748.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.230.237.163 (talk) 16:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Angeleno?

I just wanna make sure: Does the mention of Sako Shahinian supposed to say "Fellow Armenian" or does it mean what it says? 65.100.147.48 02:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I think those are interchangeable words. (In this situation) While they both share Armenian ancestry, they also both were raised in Los Angeles, thus I doubt it makes a difference. NBAwire:syxx 08:08, December 7 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hearsay

Passages in this article like this "Serj hates celebrity gossip. He believes it is a waste of time and due to the spreading of rumors, can destroy close relationships" are purely hearsay without a source. - Gilliam 17:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Believe it or not I think those statements actually did have a source which must have been edited out but they could be written in a better way, I will see if I can find that source. -KingVegeta2000 07:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I believe the interview where he stated this has recently been taken down. It used to be located at www.marpop.com/serj KingVegeta2000 07:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
However he is a site that infers his disdain for gossip http://soadfans.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=301&theme=Printer KingVegeta2000 07:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Another interview source about paparazzi and serj http://www.168.am/en/articles/816 KingVegeta2000 07:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Birth date

Is there a sourced info about Serj's birth date? Armatura 17:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnicity in LEAD sentence

Please do not add ANY ethnicity labels to the LEAD sentence per WIKI policy WP:MOSBIO. Please feel free to incorporate that material into the article outside of the lead sentence, thanks!--Tom 13:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Have you carefully read the policy that you keep referring to? It says "Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. The policy does not say that ethnicity should NEVER be added to the opening paragraph, just that it should only be included when relevant. Serj Tankian, an Armenian-American, is the lead singer of System of a Down, a band composed of all Armenian-American members that speaks out about many Armenian related issues. The band was recently featured in a documentary called Screamers about the Armenian Genocide. I do not see how one can argue that the fact that he is of Armenian ethnicity is not strongly related to what he is notable for. -- Augustgrahl 16:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Maybe your agenda pushing is getting in the way? If you want to say "of Armenian decent" or some other nonsense, fine, go for it. Jewish/Italian/Armenian/XXXX-American should NOT be used. This is about standardization, ect. There are VERY few bios that use the "hypenated American" correctly in the lead, and those should be reverted. I will revert as per my suggestion above. Cheers, --Tom 16:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Tom, what we have in the article top now (your latest version) is fine, IMHO. Thank you very much for excellent compromise. The only thing I'd like to ask you for is being a bit more careful when calling someone's edits "agenda" and the phrase "of ***** descent" - "nonsense"... Let's discus the subject in a friendly, polite manner. Thanks. --Armatura 18:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Armatura, you're welcome. Yes, you are right that i shouldn't have said nonsense in regards to ethnicity. I'm a pure mutt :) As far as agenda pushing, I know I am suppose to assume good faith, but I'm pretty jadded at this point. Anyways, thanks for your reply and I will try to take your sound, level headed advice. Cheers!--Tom 18:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
What agenda pushing? If I see somebody removing information from an article and justifying it by referring to a policy that clearly doesn't support their actions, I think I have every right to question it. Even if it's your opinion that people's ethnicities are "nonsense," you are not granted a right to impose that view on the articles here. Please read over WP:AGF. But, the way it's worded now is fine. -- Augustgrahl 23:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
No, clearly the policy I referred to supports removing ethnicity from the lead sentence of bios. The article reads like crap, imo, but its a compromise for people with an agenda, still. Also, please don't tell me to read any policies around here, I am sick of them, thanks. --Tom 13:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Please stop assuming that other editors working on the article have an agenda to push. Remarks like these can be taken as personal attacks, and are a negative way to contribute to Wikipedia. If you wish to improve the article, civil discussion will be more productive than saying that the article is crap, calling other people's ideas nonsense, and accusing them of having an agenda. -- Augustgrahl 14:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
<yawn> Are we done here? Can I go now? Thanks,--Tom 16:15, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
What is the problem with having Tankian's ethnicity in the lead? The guy had dedicated himself to the Armenian Genocide, some of the songs (for example, Holy Mountains and PLUCK) are about the Armenian Genocide, SOAD was featured Carla Garabedian's (another Armenian) Screamers, again about the Armenian Genocide and all other genocides, [2] here he is meeting with ANCA officials, [3] here he's campaigning in the States' capital..., [4] check the title of movie he is narrating... etc etc. His ethnicity is important. Do not accuse people of having an agenda while we can easily accuse you of having one of your own. - Fedayee 16:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
No need to accuse me of having an agenda since I freely admitt to having on and I have stated it on my user page. Anyways I'm just an odar(sp) so who cares what I think :) j/k --Tom 17:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Please do not try to turn this into a racial issue; it will not lead to anything good. -- Augustgrahl 18:13, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
ENOUGH! I added a smily face and also a just kidding j/k to my post. I am married to a nice Armenian woman. Also, my daughter is 100% Armenian even though I'm zero Armenian. Can anybody explain how that happens? And no, the postman is not Armenian either :) j/k. Cheers! --Tom 18:49, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, because I'm only mildly retarded. Adoption. The policy clearly allows and in this case it is reasonable to include his heritage/ethnicity in the opening. When you get a correction from me on policy that's a clue that you're very very wrong. I hope you didn't adopt someone and then marry them. That would just be untoward. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.77.67 (talk) 06:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Indeed Tom. Troll much?

[edit] Instrumental skills in LEAD sentences

Friends, do we really need to have all isntrumental skills of Serj described in the lead sentences? It's becoming too long... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Armatura (talk • contribs) 11:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

It seems to be what this individual is noted for so it seems ok. Do you have a suggested alternative? If so, post here and let the editors comment or BE BOLD and make the change yourself :) Cheers! --Tom 13:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Here are some statemets from Tankian's article, which remain unsourced a long-time: If you have reliable references, you can re-add the into article with citing sources:

Armatura 10:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Just an aside. Please only add sourced material that is relevant, notable, and flows in the article. What pets one has doesn't seem of encylopediatic. Anyways, thanks for moving that stuff to here Armatura. --Tom 15:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I have a magazine somewhere stating Serj has a husky, but I don't remember if it tells her name. As for being a vegetarian, I saw that on a PETA site when there was a vote for sexiest vegetarian in the world (he should have won!). I don't know the exact locations, but I know that I've seen those before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.95.70.134 (talk) 07:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Surname in Armenian script

Hi. I noticed that someone repeatedly changes Serj's surname from Թանգյան with Թանգեան. Pls don't do this whithout citing a source. Unless you've got a reliable source which proves this version of his Armenian sripted name, I'm going to revert to Թանգյան (it corresponds to official Armenian orthography and is much more popular in internet then Թանգեան). Thanks for understanding. Armatura 10:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Drugs?

Just wondering, does anyone know whether Serj is a recreational drug user? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 190.6.195.80 (talk) 21:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC).

Yes, in an interview that is included on his deluxe website, he clearly discusses his use of marijuana and how it helps him be creative. ☭ moizkhan (talk)

[edit] Single Template

I think we should make a single template like tom morellos listing all the bands on the same template. i think having 6 template looks stupid, so we should make one.74.124.33.181 02:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

If you give me some time, I'll make one a little later. FallenWings47 18:30, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] eGames?

Did he really work for eGames? Methinks somebody's fulla crap around here. 69.95.203.7 (talk) 04:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

No he did not really work for eGames. 68.38.15.69 has been spreading false information all over Wikipedia. I'm in the process of reverting it all.
NTFS (talk) 02:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean-up....

Umm...? Besides the baseless facts, the POV, etc... Argh! This will keep me up all night, gah. Xavexgoem (talk) 03:37, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree, the page still needs some clean up, I will do my best to fix to wiki standards very soon. ☭ moizkhan (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 09:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can he speak Armenian?

Just curious. Does he speak Eastern or Western Armenian. Also how popular are SOAD in Armenia? 65.100.188.178 (talk) 16:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

This is not a discussion forum, but I'll answer your questions. He speaks Western Armenian, and this will answer your second question. VartanM (talk) 19:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] WoW?

Someone posted the character he allegedly plays in World of Warcraft... sources? 75.74.67.1 (talk) 03:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)nick

It looks like it'd just be someone advertising their own character. I'm going to remove it... SouperAwesome (talk) 09:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Terrorist?

The sentence, "It caused a lot of controversy, particularly because it reveals that Serj is really a terrorist" should be removed, no? 67.110.137.5 (talk) 03:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

  • I think he supports it deep down! Listen to his songs! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.191.64.130 (talk) 01:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

"Supporting" a terrorist act against a country which is continuously fighting in places where it shouldn't, is not the same that BEING A TERRORIST. This is a serious accusation, and those things must be avoided in wikipedia. Please remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.144.2.244 (talk) 11:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Woah, hold on...

The picture says its a "self made" image of Serj Tankian. Does he visit here? Has he edited his own article? Scryer_360 (talk) 17:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Beethoven's cunt not cock

There is an error in the article that says that one of the song's name is Beethoven's cock not cunt when in fact it is the other way around, i tried changing this and it was immediately reverted --151.118.150.158 (talk) 21:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)