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    [edit] Regarding the trivia "The first English-language version of a Gainsbourg song was Dionne Warwick's 1965 version of "Mamadou""

    I don't think that's true. As far as I have learned, Sacha Distel is the only person to have released this song. The person who added this info may have been mistaken - Dionne Warwick and Sacha Distel performed one song together at the Olympia in 1965 (released as "Dionne Warwick in Paris" - see http://www.ccmusic.com/item.cfm?itemid=CCM07562). They sang "Oh, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah".

    Unfortunately, this "trivia" has propogated all over - answers.com, reference.com, discogs.com, praff.blogspot.com.

    If the information is true, some more details would be important - is a B-side of a single, was it perfomed live only, what album is it on...

    Until then, I would treat this as false.

    Thank you,

    --Designwallah 18:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Regarding lead paragraph "top 100 ranking"

    A user has submitted the following concluding sentence to the lead paragraph:

    "He is ranked at number 62 in a list of the top 100 most influential musicians." Source:100人の偉大なアーティスト - No. 62

    I submit that the sentence has no place in the lead, HMV Japan's top 100 ranking by x is not relevant to bio of SG, and not the type of "article source written by reliable third parties or found in publications with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" this biographical article should rely on.

    What is the consensus on this sentence and this source? I'd like to see it omitted but having previously removed it but can't make any further changes to this, at the threat of action from an anonymous contributor. MURGH disc. 00:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

    How about you go remove similar information from similar articles? Why is this type of information acceptable for musicians such as AC/DC, Blondie, or Jimi Hendrix, ect?

    If this information should be removed, then the information for those musicians (and all other musicians with similar information) should be removed.

    By the way, thank you for using the talk page. 219.90.173.141 02:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

    As for your argument -- see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. And see WP:RSUE... sources not in English are greatly discouraged. Gscshoyru 02:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
    You are over-emphasising. It does not say it is "greatly discouraged" it says that an English source is preferred, assuming that there is one. That does not mean this information is not valid, nor does it say it should be removed. You also fail to mention why similar information on similar articles is acceptable. 219.90.167.51 03:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
    I never said similar information in other articles is acceptable or not. You cannot assume I am aware of everything, and can remove the information from all those articles -- that's what WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS explains. Also, what you're adding is not notable, as inclusion in some random top 100 list is not notable, unless the list is notable, and I see no reason why it is (prove me wrong, if I am, as I could be). And finally, your source is not verifiable, and a better source probably does exist as from your wiki-link, HMV seems to be an English company. Finally, your accusations of vandalism and 3RR violations are unwarranted and nasty -- I have not violated the 3RR, as it takes four reverts to do so, nor have I vandalized the article. And see WP:BRD -- you're the one who should be using the talk page -- you made a change, it was reverted, so you discuss till you come to consensus -- you don't keep re-adding the information when multiple editors oppose you, especially in violation of the WP:3RR as you have done. Gscshoyru 03:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
    The article was a collaboration from all major record labels, and many industry professionals, from around the world. How can you say the source is not verifiable? It is provided by HMV from their own website, one of the most reputable names in the music industry. Serge Gainsbourg is often mentioned by many musicians as an influence. This information contributes to the article, and you provide no reason why it should be removed. 219.90.167.51 03:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
    How can I say the source is not verifiable? It's not in English. Since the company that made it is English, an English source must exists -- one on their own site, maybe. Nor do I think that a top 100 list made by this company is notable. Any company can make a top 100 list of anything and publish it, what's so special about the company so that their knowledge is truly notable in this field? Gscshoyru 03:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

    You mean, its not verifiable by you, because you don't understand Japanese? Honestly, your comment about HMV originally being a British company, therefor an English source must exist, and the Japanese source is insufficient, is ridiculous. HMV Japan is the largest music retailer in the world. They are in collaboration with most records labels, and provide much information in the music industry. This list has been around for over 20 years, and was last updated in 2003. Maybe you should learn more about HMV, and the importance of the company in the music industry before editing. 122.49.133.159 04:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

    They have an English-half of their website... perhaps you should try finding it there. And I still don't see why a record company's top 100 list is notable, and I find the statement that they are the largest music retailer in the world preposterous. Back up your claims, please, with refs. Gscshoyru 04:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
    The Wikipedia does not require sources to be in written English. There is no difference if the source is written in English or Japanese, or any other language. The source clearly states Serge Gainsbourg is listed at number 62 in a list of influential musicians. I don't care if you think the statement that HMV is the largest music retailer in the world is "preposterous" because it is a fact http://www.superbrands-brands.com/volII/brand_hmv.htm furthermore HMV Japan is the worlds largest online music retailer. Your reasons are childish and pathetic! 122.49.133.159 05:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

    I also find it interesting that Murgh has not replied, however you are ardently active in removing this information. Fine this information will not be added again., However, previous information which has no source, and provides non-encyclopedia like statements will be removed, especially from the lead paragraph. 122.49.133.159 05:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Picture

    Isn't there any fair use picture of Gainsbourg? It shouldn't be that hard to find, no? 196.12.206.198 08:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] References

    It seems there is a trouble with the references which appear with html code... Ecureuil espagnol (talk) 10:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

    it wasn't html code, it was a huge bulk of text opened as reference that wasn't closed with </ref>. MURGH disc. 11:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


    I found this a very helpful link , Vanity Fair , offers much insight and information on Serge's early life, could be a source of reference, it is interesting his sister resides in the same apartment where Serge grew up. I wonder why the html link was not allowed. http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/11/gainsbourg200711

    Also of interest is his relationship with daughter Charolette in a movie Lemon Incest, my POV is it is inappropriate as Charolette was 12 at the time, the mother Jane, skirts the issue in an interview in the Daily Mirror. Also his house is being maintained by daughter Charolette who wants to turn into a musuem. Charolette can be quoted on her fathers alcoholism. See references.

    Possibly the article should be revamped to include his affair with Bardot, his involvement with Catherine Deneuve among others.


    Is it possble to connect you tube videos to this article as the songs by serge and jane are on it? http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/11/gainsbourg200711 --MillyFrost (talk) 23:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)