Talk:Serbianisation

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low google hit results - not counting wiki mirrors & irrelevant mentions. Also, sources are needed. I'll put a disputable tag for now... --HolyRomanEmperor 15:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Linguistic issue 2 sources? 2.1 Sources given 3 Map

[edit] Linguistic issue

The last part (southern dialects forbiden) is in some way true but does not need to be placed on this page. It is evident to anyone that the non-existence of a Macedonian republic during the interwar period, as say for the Bosniaks/Muslims (with Bosnia), will have meant that the local people will have been something else (in this case, Serbs). However, the relationship between any two South Slavic nations is down to extention and not distance (ie.Venetians to Croats/Slovenes are nations by distance; Croats to Slovenes, extention), based on this cultural/linguistic/ethnic prolonged proximity. It means that a Macedonian forced into becoming Serbian is not a complete transformation; but to become Greek or Albanian is total surrended of identity. For this reason, it is not good to accuse earlier Serbian authorities of Serbianising other Slav groups. Evlekis 12:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC) Евлекис

[edit] sources?

There are no sources given that use this term, so it seems to be a neologism. Can someone please find sources for this article? Thank you. // Laughing Man 22:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources given

See references [1] and [2] for a collection of about 100 original sources, published in a number of countries that describe 'Serbian assimilation', 'Serbian oppression', 'Serbianization' (you can use authomatic search for these terms in the long documents) of the Bulgarian ethnicity in Macedonia. You are welcome. Lantonov 15:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I will cite only one of those documents here, just to see what the word is about (please excuse me for the length of the document):

A petition(1) from the Bulgarian population in Vardar Macedonia to the League of Nations concerning the unbearable national and political oppression

December 1929

His Excellency Sir Eric Drummond, Chief Secretary of the League of Nations, Geneva.

According to Article 2 of the Treaty signed at Saint Germain on September 10th, 1919 between the main allied forces and the Kingdom of Ser­bia, Croatia and Slovenia, the protection of the minorities living in the Kingdom is guaranteed by the League of Nations. By signing this Treaty, the Kingdom undertook to give rights to all minorities living within the boundaries of the country after January 1st, 1913.

According to all this, these rights and this protection apply to the Bulgarian population in Yugoslavia annexed to the latter after the above-mentioned date. On the basis of this Treaty, the population is appealing to the League of Nations, asking for the implementation of the Treaty for the Protec­tion of Minorities - in this case, the Bulgarian minority in Yugoslavia, where it is a compact mass of the population living in Macedonia.

Ten years have elapsed since the Treaty was signed. In spite of this, the Treaty of Saint Germain, protecting the minorities, remains a dead letter. What is more: the Bulgarian minorities in Yugoslavia are not only deprived of the rights stipulated by this treaty, but they are subjected to systematic denationalization and forcible assimilation; they are deprived of political rights and are being turned into economic slaves and are doomed to poverty.

Contrary to the existing treaties, the Yugoslav government has destroyed all our cultural institutions — national, educational and political by closing 641 Bulgarian schools with 37,000 students; 1,013 Bulgarian teachers have been driven out, 761 Bulgarian churches have been confiscated and turned into Ser­bian, and six bishops were driven out, 833 priests were also driven out and all the Bulgarian libraries and library clubs in which we studied our mother Bulgarian tongue have been destroyed, Bulgarian newspapers and magazines have been banned in Macedonia. In short, the Yugoslav government has destroyed everything in Macedonia that could be used for the national, cultural and social development of the Macedonian Bulgarians.

In pursuing its policy of exterminating the Bulgarian spirit in Macedonia, the Yugoslav government has applied measures of a kind considered everywhere as a complete negation of contemporary civilization and elemen­tary conceptions of freedom.

a) Contrary to Article 7 of the Treaty of Saint Germain, we have been for­bidden to use our mother tongue, Bulgarian, in the streets, in our private relations, in trade, at meetings, etc., let alone using the Bulgarian language in publications and in the press. Bulgarian is altogether forbidden in government, town, etc., offices.

b) Our names have been forcefully changed by adding Serbian endings to them. Giving national names to our children is forbidden, and we are forced to give them names according to a list drawn up by the Serbian church authorities specially for Macedonia.

c) Reading Bulgarian books and Bulgarian newspapers is forbidden under the threat of the most severe punishment, and we never have an opportunity to read a line in our mother tongue. Four young people were convicted in Kavadartsi, because a Bulgarian book was found on them.

d) The singing of Bulgarian songs is considered an offence. In Tetovo many citizens, with their priest at the head, were convicted because they had sung Bulgarian songs at a celebration.

e) The Yugoslav authorities have forbidden us to celebrate our national and customary holidays, our namedays and the holidays of the different craftsmen, and have imposed the Serbian 'Slava' upon us instead.

f) In order to facilitate assimilation, the authorities force young women in Macedonia to marry Serbian gendarmes, and all protests against this coercion are of no avail. All state and town posts are barred to the Macedonian in­telligentsia. Their applications are ignored, while they themselves are being expelled from the kingdom as was the case with Dr Piperkova from Skopje, Dr Naoumov from Ohrid and Dr Tsipoushev from Veles, or they are being in­terned, as is the case with engineer Karadjov and Dr Taoushanov from Shtip, or are being killed, as was recently the case with Blagoi Monev from Shtip, Rampo Popov from Prilep, etc. - not to speak of the numerous murders which occurred earlier.

The Bulgarian population in Macedonia has deep faith in the great mis­sion of the League of Nations and would like to believe that the latter is keeping watch on the strict observation of the international treaties. That is why, cogni­zant of the rights guaranteed to it as a minority under the Treaty of Saint Ger­main, and notwithstanding its great sufferings owing to the forceful assimilation practiced by the Yugoslav government, the Bulgarian population in Macedonia, organized in its national organizations, decided to send us to Geneva in the capacity of its lawful representatives, in order to submit this peti­tion to the League of Nations and to ask for its protection, as a national minori­ty in Yugoslavia - something of which we have hitherto been deprived due to the well-known attitude of the Yugoslav government..

We, the undersigned Yugoslav citizens, born and living in Macedonia have held different public and political posts and have taken part in the political life of our country, in the capacity of representatives of the Bulgarian national minority in Yugoslavia, accepted the delicate and patriotic mission, to submit this petition to the League of Nations, and we are confident that, through this act, we are fulfilling a duty towards our own people and civilized humanity because we believe that we are helping, in a peaceful way, to obviate the threat to peace.

Stating all this, we take the liberty of drawing the attention of the League of Nations to the dangers threatening the very existence of the Bulgarian pop­ulation in Yugoslavia.

At the same time, we declare that all these and other facts stated in the petitions, submitted either by the emigrant organization of the Macedonians, or by other organizations like the Balkan Committee in London, the French League for Human Rights or the American League, are entirely in accordance with the facts and with the wishes of the Bulgarian population in Yugoslavia.

In order to remove the difficult and unbearable situation which is creating conditions for undesirable events, we are confident that the following measures are necessary and expedient:

1. That the nationality of the Macedonian population be acknowledged and that the Treaty for the Protection of Minorities be strictly observed under the control of the League of Nations.

2. That our brother emigrants be allowed to return to Macedonia.

3. That there be an amnesty for all political prisoners, convicted by the Serbian courts solely because they wanted the rights and liberties guaranteed by the Treaty for the Protection of Minorities.

4. That Bulgarian schools and churches built with so much sacrifice on the part of the population before the Serbian rule in Macedonia be opened-anew.

5. In order to monitor the fulfillment by the Yugoslav government of its treaty obligations that a special commission, appointed by the League of Nations, be sent to Macedonia to observe the implementation of this Treaty.

The Macedonian population, whose representatives we have the honour to be, was happy at the news of your coming to the capital of Yugoslavia. This is a proof of the faith which this population has in the League of Nations and in its great mission to establish an era of complete tolerance in the relations among the nations, a tolerance necessary for peace. We are confident that this faith of our brothers will be justified by Your Excellency's attention to this peti­tion.

On behalf of the Bulgarian population in Macedonia under Serbian domination:

Dimiter Shalev Signed: Dimiter Iliev

Veritas, Macedonia Under Oppression 1919-1929, Sofia, 1931, pp. CXCI-CXCV; the original is in Bulgarian.

1 The petition was submitted by the deputy-mayor of Skopje Dimiter Shalev and the judge Dimiter Iliev. They were joined by Grigor Atanasov, lawyer from Kavadartsi, former Deputy of the Skupshtina in Belgrade, who later went to Geneva, after clashes with the Serbian authorities

[edit] Map

First, Panonian I must remind you of your words about culture and monasteries. What you mean these leveled churches did not belong to the culture of the region? And they forcible disappearing is a part of a forcible cultural changing namely Serbianisation. Please show me just one Orthodox church in Vojvodina which was razed by COMMUNISTS. --Bendeguz 22:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

AFAIC, the Serbian Orthodox Church is the religious organization that suffered the most during the existence of Communist Yugoslavia (I can't claim for Vojvodina precisely, since I do not know much 'bout it). However, I must agree with PANONIAN - it doesn't have much to do with cultural assimilation at all. You're forgetting that this article deals with cultural assimilation of non-Serbs into Serbs. For example, the SOC monastery of Krupa was ransacked by Croatian paramilitaries during Operation Storm in 1995, however that is no way "Croatization". --PaxEquilibrium 22:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, PaxEquilibrium explained this and I do not think there is something else that could be said. Before posting that map here, Bendeguz, you have to prove that aim of the communists was Serbianization and not secularization. Communists in general were enemies of the religion, hence it is the reason why they razed those churches, not to make area more Serbian, but to make it more atheist. Article Religion in Vojvodina is the good place where such map could be posted. PANONIAN (talk) 00:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

This is a clear example of POV editing.Lord feanor 17:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Why ? Rjecina 01:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)