Talk:Separation barrier

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The Israeli barriers are not along a political boundary...we should not say that they are. OneVoice 15:45, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] New EU Fence

The European Union is planning a fence along the eastern boarder of Poland and Hungary. I have seen several news articles about this but can find nothing on the EU site. http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=823974&fid=942

[edit] Neologism?

It is not clear from this definition how a "separation barrier" is meant to differ from any other defended border. I am concerned that this article might be a neologism in the sense in which it is being used. It seems clear that the newer wall/fence being built by the Israelis is being called the "separation barrier" by many (including the Israeli government), and googling on it gets tens of thousands of hits. But excluding "Israel" and "Israeli" from the search drops the hits down to just 849 - of which every link on the first three pages (after which I got sick of checking in detail) is either:

  • still about Israel, just happens not to include the term
  • a mirror of one of our articles
  • a completely unrelated article which just happened to use the phrase (e.g. a fire safety product); or
  • doesn't actually include the phrase at all.

Further, the term "security fence" has a common meaning which has nothing to do with borders. Next, several of the example "separation barriers" are conventionally understood as being military defenses rather than meeting the definition provided here. And finally, the page is a list, not an article.

This page should probably be moved to List of fortified borders or something like that, and then this page redirected to Israeli security barrier as Kingturtle originally had it. On the other hand, sticking my hand into the tarpit that is Wikipedia Israel/Palestine articles probably risks my Wikisanity. Securiger 12:36, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It's not only a neologism but a euphemism to boot, and I've amended the lead to reflect this. +ILike2BeAnonymous 17:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Defensive wall

===>Largely identical articles The scope and content of both largely overlap. I don't know which should redirect to the other, though. I'm inclined to say "separation barrier" should be the main article, as not all of these are strictly built for defense, but all walls, by definition, separate. Thoughts? Justin (koavf) 01:29, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I think merging them would be misleading to the content of this article. Not all defensive walls make a separation border, which is the focus of this article. I think the "Separation barrier" article should be renamed to something like "Defended National Border" or "fortified border" or something. --Kvasir 00:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
It looks to me like Defensive walls is more about fortified cities of an earlier era, whereas Separation barrier deals with much longer walls that separate territories and zones. No? //Big Adamsky 07:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fake in Russia section

According to constitution of Russian Federation its illegal to build such walls because of freedom of movement. Therefore, section about Chechnya and other parts of Russia seems to be fake. —The preceding unsigned comment was left by TohaSpiridonov, 16:30, 4 March 2007

I have added a reference. Chesdovi 15:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] table from The Guardian newspaper

I've added a table of info contained in The Guardian newspaper on Tuesday April 24th 2007 p.23. The 'types' are given in the paper's graphic without further information or sourcing. Andeggs 15:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is this article about the concept or the term?

Is this article about separation barriers, or is it about the term "separation barrier"? Judging from the fact that the article lists and describes many barriers, it appears to be about the former. In that case, it should begin "A separation barrier is XYZ", not "The term separation barrier is XYZ". If the term "separation barrier" is an inappropriate description of the thing in question on the grounds that it is a euphemism, then the article should be moved to a more appropriate title, rather than beginning by telling us that it is inappropriate.—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 19:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

And if I may add, why is the term "separation barrier" a euphemism? Isn't it a barrier which separates? Euphemism is saying about a dead person that he is "gone". Actually he didn't go anywhere, he simply died. However, in this case we are talking about a plain simple term. DrorK (talk) 12:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Dingo Fence

What about the Dingo fence in Australia? Its the worlds longest fence. 203.143.238.107 (talk) 04:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)