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and in 1992

The Sega page lists that Sega has 65% market share and yet the SNES page lists that the market shares were approximately equal and cites a source. --Elangsto 03:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

The source in the SNES article backs up the statement in the Mega Drive article. The Mega Drive article talks about loss of market share for Sega which ties up with the SNES citation. The Mega Drive article then goes on the say that sales were boosted back up to the 65% mark by the release of Sonic the Hedgehog 2. Sonic 2 was released in November the SNES citation is dated June and so obviously doesn't contain the sales boost given by Sonic 2. - X201 08:19, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Mega Drive II picture?

I think this article would benefit from an image of a Mega Drive II. Unfortunately, I no longer have one, so someone else should take a photo. --Mouse Nightshirt 00:27, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

see Variations of the Sega Mega Drive --32X 00:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Done - X201 10:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Top Selling Game

How can Sonic the Hedgehog be listed as the top selling game if you look at this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_computer_and_video_games#Sega_Mega_Drive.2FSega_Genesis Zebbe 17:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion this field doesn't give any valuable information, but nethertheless I've changed it back. (original change) --32X 11:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

this statement: Re Roleplay games.

"The Mega Drive continued to hold on to a healthy fan base composed significantly of RPG and sports games fans."

i personaly dont think that this statement is accurate. while i am aware that the megadrive had alot of sports games on i seem to remember very few "role play games" of cource there is phantasy star howeever i can list very few others. to my knowledge the snes was more noted for its RPG while the megadrive seemedattractive to the development of platform games?? perhaps we should consider changing the paragraph or finding some citation to support the statement--Dr noire 19:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree! --Tirian 23:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)'


It had a handful of decent RPGs, namely the Phantasy Star series and the Shining Force strategy RPG series (which was recently re-released on Virtual Console), as well as the beloved Lunar 1 & 2 games on the Sega CD, and Snatcher on CD, and 3x3 Eyes in Japan on the Mega CD. There were some other great RPG-ish games like Landstalker and Light Crusader. But it was never considered as great of an Rpg system as the SNES as they had Enix and Square. Also the version of Ys 3 on the Genesis is the best (in my opinion). Some say AD&D: Warriors of the Sun is good, as well as Shadowrun, but I haven't played those.

Removed overclocking link

Epicenter is a person who has barely any concepts on how electronics work (for example see http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2016&page=6), plus his site is mostly made up from articles stolen from elsewhere (such as the Ecco and sonic crackers one), so I removed the link for his genesis oc guide before someone ruins his console because of this kids unverified techno-blabber copypasta guides. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.0.148.54 (talk) 18:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC). Also his site had unauthorized roms for download anyway.

I brought it back since it's used to reference the statement. Delete either all or nothing from that trivia statement. --32X 18:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

"Mega Drive" for Consistency?

I'm curious as to why the system is referred to as the "Mega Drive" for "consistency". It is true that the system went by this name in Japan, but this Wikipedia article is in the English Wikipedia and in English vernacular, it is referred to as the "Sega Genesis". I'm asking because I want to know if this was done because it is "cool". I think the more reasonable thing to do would be to target the article to what 98% of the English speaking world would recognize the console as. Drumpler 17:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind. Ignore me and move on. :) Drumpler 17:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


it seems unlikely that 98% of people who speak english are american —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.136.138.161 (talk) 17:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

it is estimated to be 70%, which is still a significantly large number.155.138.250.6 07:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I would venture a guess and say that in all the NTSC countries (Canada, the USA, and Mexico), the system sold more than in all the official English speaking PAL countries (the UK, Australia, and South Africa, mainly). Since this is on the English speaking portion of the website, and the NTSC regions that speak English outnumber the population of the English speaking PAL regions (like was mentioned above, 70% of English speakers are American), I think it would be most fair to change the name to Genesis on en.wikipedia.org, and leave it Mega Drive on non-English speaking portions of the site.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language#Geographical_distribution

freehunter 07:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The console was created in Japan and called Mega Drive. The Mega Drive name was unavailable for the NA launch so the console was renamed. It was released as Mega Drive in every other territory in the entire World. At the moment Genesis redirects here and horror of horrors, people actually learn that Genesis is not the console's original name.
Your language analogy is also wrong, this article and WP itself receives loads of edits from PAL territories where English is not the native language. English is the unofficial second language of virtually all Northern European countries an a vast majority of the Southern& Eastern ones.
The NES article was named as such because it was known as NES around the World except for it's home country where it was Family Computer. The same principle applies here, Mega Drive around the World but renamed for NA released. - X201 09:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
What does English being the unofficial second language of most European countries have to do with anything? I speak more than one language, but I prefer to read things in my native tongue, as I am sure most people do. If that language does not have an article on the Mega Drive, well, that's what Wikipedia is built around, right? The only argument here is how many people will it affect, and the only right answer is most of the people who will read this article either call it the Genesis exclusively or know the name Genesis equally as well as Mega Drive. The minority in this case is those who only call it Mega Drive and know no other name. Well over half the people who visit this article would be comfortable with Genesis, as opposed to those who are only comfortable with Mega Drive. I'm not saying "America rules, Americans control you all", I'm just saying that, statistically, more people who read en.wikipedia.org would be comfortable with Genesis than with Mega Drive, and logically, Mega Drive would point to Genesis. freehunter 06:51, 9 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freehunter (talk • contribs)
I absolutely agree with you. Genesis was known as Genesis in all of the West as well, not just North America and Canada. I find it hard to believe that the majority of PAL versions in Europe and the rest of the East were not given the option of playing games in their own languages. If anyone wants to correct me on that, feel free. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KuroKorin (talk • contribs) 07:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
(Combined reply to both of above}What do you mean by "all of the west"? It was known as Genesis in Northern America and that's all, everywhere else around the World knows it as Megadrive.
On the subject of how many people it will affect - Sega Genesis redirects to this page. And what happens, people come to this page and wonder why it says Megadrive at the top, they read the article and realise that Sega renamed it for the North American market. They learn that everywhere else in the wWorld calls it Megadrive
The console was originally released as Megadrive the rename is part of the Megadrive's history. You say that it's not an "America rules" reason but what else could it be to remove an article from it's birthname to the American alternative in order to not inconvenience Americans?. Should Europeans change the dates of World War I to reflect the fact that there are more English speakers in America and from their viewpoint the 1914-1918 dates of the war are wrong? Just because something is different to Americans dose not make it wrong. - X201 09:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I never said it should be changed because it is wrong to Americans, and you are wrong to assume every English speaker in the North American continent lives in the US. World War I has nothing to do with the Genesis/Mega Drive, and I don;t even know why you would bring it up. It is foolish and logically wrong to assume that Americans expect everything, especially names, to be translated into their English form, plenty of names used by Americans are in their native spelling. However, cruise on over to de.wikipedia.org, and look up Germany. You won't find a page about Germany, same as on en.wikipedia.org, you won't find a page about Amerika. Germans don't officially speak English, and Americans don't officially speak German, so why should their respective portions of the site contain their counterpart language's spellings? Since Americans speak English, and since the vast majority of English speakers live in America, I think it is safe to assume from that argument that the majority of English speakers know the game system as the Genesis.
Your argument about people finding out that it is names differently in other countries is a good one, and it is important for people to know this. However, remembering that we have established that the majority of this site's English speaking visitors are in America, maybe it would be best to have Genesis as the primary name, and have the Mega Drive distinction be included in the article, somewhere in the introduction, to ease understanding of the very small minority of English speaking visitors who only know the system as the Mega Drive.
As unfair to everyone outside of America as it is, I'm sure most Europeans and non-American English speakers are quite used to things being written for the majority, as it only makes logical sense. Now that we have established that it is much better for the article to be names Genesis and explain the difference in the article, to better suit the majority of visitors to the English speaking portion of the website (making sure to keep it Mega Drive on the non-English speaking portions, to suit their own majority), we can begin the process of re-writing the article and moving it to Genesis. freehunter 07:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
de:Germany. Besides that, where have we (who is that?) established that it is much better for the article to be named Genesis? You might search in the archives, there was once a good combination (Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis) and there was a suggestion to solve the problem like it was done with airplane and aeroplane. And never forget: this is the English language Wikipedia, the readers' country of origin is not important. --87.234.94.97 20:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Release List

I would like to point out that the Console Passion link is (a) a commercial site and (b) not, as it claims, a complete list of all PAL Megadrive games (it is missing all of the Australian exclusives for a start ..). For a much more comprehensive list I would recommend either Genesis Collective, Digital Press or guardiana.net

Guardiana is probably the best for reference purposes, as it includes many cover scans, screenshots etc.

--Tirian 23:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Europe

Someone please write the Europe section, the grammar is terrible. ...in America! 14:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Corrections done. Could still use a proper rewrite though. Miremare 05:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

6 button pad

Shouldn't there be something about the 6 button pad in the article? It was released a long while after the original Megadrive/ Genesis wasn't it?Doom jester 12:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Yep. There isn't a picture of it on commons but I'm going to take a photo and put it on there. The Six button was primarily released to enable Street Fighter 2 to be playable properly (a 3 button pad would work but made the game harder to play.)The six button was also considerably samller than the three button so I'll probably do a comparison photo as well. - X201 12:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I lied. I've just found this Image:Mega Drive Controllers.jpg on Commons. - X201 13:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Genesis

Just a curiosity question. Anyone else lamenting the fact that "Mega Drive" won out over "Genesis" as the name of the article? - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.215.97 (talk • contribs) 08:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I am totally bummed out. 155.138.3.20 00:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


In my opinion, since the Genesis sold so well in America (better than anywhere else? ) it ought to be called this for its English article. Sega was originated by the american David Rosen, too, and it always had an American attitude (think of games like Michael Jackson's Moonwalker and Streets of Rage, as well as Joe Montana's Football). Also Sonic 2 was made here with the help of the Japanese designers.

Category:Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis vs. Category:Sega Mega Drive

There are currently two categories, one has to go.

I don't care which one will remain, but one has to go. With enough suggestions we could start an CfD that doesn't result in "no consensus". --32X 21:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Category:Sega Mega Drive Games would be the most logical given the article name and I suppose would bring Category:Sega CD Games into the re-naming discussion as well. Might be an idea to get both sorted at the same time in the same discussion. - X201 12:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
"Mega Drive games" would seem the correct choice given the name of the article. I wouldn't be too bothered if the other one won out, be we certainly shouldn't have them both. Miremare 23:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC) Oh wait, this isn't about the games categories - I didn't think there were two of them! Well, the same goes - the games category is "Sega Mega Drive games" so this should be "Sega Mega Drive" too. Miremare 23:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the contents into Category:Sega Mega Drive. Category names should always match the naming of related articles and/or child/parent categories where possible. GarrettTalk 22:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Genesis HW REV

I think that some one should post the different hardware revisions of the genesis because i know there are 3 and i have owned the first and third version in the past and i think it was and would be interesting to see the differences in designs. Pocky09 08:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Article Rename

I think is should be renamed to Genesis instead of Megadrive because there were 3 different genesis' but there were only 2 megadirves if i recall and because this is the English wikipedia and it makes more sense that we call it what North America knows it as seeing that i would guess that most the people that access the en.wikipedia.org are from North America. Pocky09 09:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Apparently there are more English speakers in China than the rest of the world put together. Anyway, the article was renamed to "Mega Drive" from "Mega Drive/Genesis" (or whatever it was before) because that's the original name of the machine, and what it is known as worldwide. "Genesis" was simply a region-specific rename for copyright or trademark reasons. Miremare 17:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
yea i get that but i just thought that seeing that this is the english wikipedia then it would be formated for America and be named Genesis
Pocky09 03:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
People in England invented English, and it was called the Mega Drive there too. :) Miremare 18:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
This is the English Wikipedia, not the American Wikipedia. The Mega Drive was not known as Genesis anywhere but the US. Mega Drive is the correct name, with Genesis as a redirect. Plkrtn 03:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is only known as the Sega Genesis in the United States and Canada. In the UK, Hong Kong, India, Nigeria, South Africa, Australia, Ireland, Singapore, and New Zealand the machine's name is Sega Mega Drive, just like the Japanese console's name. WhisperToMe 03:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Truly amazing, "seeing that this is the english wikipedia then it would be formated for America", im staggered, do people in America *actually* think like that? I thought it was just a joke the rest of the world said at the US's expense? Im actually now a little frightened. - 60.241.95.42 14:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
No, no, people from the states don't all think like that, just the stupid ones... so only the majority of. Ha ha! I'm kidding, besides, I'm allowed to say that because I'm American and I love my country. Yoshiguy 00:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I may be nationalistic jerk for saying this, but I take the side of the Genesis. I grew up calling it Genesis. I'm familiar with all of that. If you guys really are dead set on calling it the Megadrive, then share it by all means. But America alone has sold 44% of the total Genesis consoles, and it seems a little unfair to disregard that.155.138.3.20 00:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Keep in mind that if you type Sega Genesis you'll end up at this page. A bigger issue is how to referee to the Genesis from the text and other articles, where I agree that Genesis is just as relevant as Mega Drive. Problem is we have to choose one, and Mega Drive won by consensus some discussions back.
--Anss123 11:48, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
If 44 % of the consoles were sold as Genesis then 56 % were sold as Mega Drive. Considering the facts that Mega Drive is the original name, and it was sold under it on several English speaking markets I can't see anything unfair here. The situation with only one manufacturer and two names is still quite simple if you compare it to car related articles like Volkswagen Jetta (several different names for different generations and different markets) or Opel Astra (different manufacturer names for the same car on different markets).
The situation with only two names makes referring to it quite easy: The first mentioning is Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis or Sega Mega Drive/Genesis, all following are either Mega Drive in general topics or Genesis in North America related topics. --87.234.94.195 23:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
"If 44 % of the consoles were sold as Genesis then 56 % were sold as Mega Drive."
yes, but of that 56%, how many were sold to English speaking markets? freehunter 07:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

A thought

We're always getting Americans saying this article should be called Sega Gesnesis. Perhaps we should put a big disclaimer at the top of the talk page explaining the situation so we can save all but the most ignorant of them some time?--Josquius 19:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

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USA Official Launch Titles

Does anybody know what games should be considered the official launch titles? The ad I posted includes Super Hydlide (listed as Hollo Fighter) but the page for that says it came out in October. Conversely, Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle is missing from the ad but it looks like that was released in August before the launch. Does anybody have any insight? Apavlo 05:04, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

The Super Hydlide release date isn't sourced, so take it witch a pinch of salt. Mobygames claims it was released in 1990, so it's possible it was intended to be a launch title and was delayed, but I would go by what it says in the ad, and change it later if verifiable information to the contrary comes to light. Miremare 17:44, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


Shouldn't Sega Megadrive/Genesis be considered 32 bit?

After all, if the N64 is considered 64 bit (because of its CPU), then so too should the Genesis. It has a 32-bit 68000 CPU. - Theaveng 18:01, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Whether the 68000 is 32 or 16 bit isn't an issue for the Mega Drive page, it's an issue for the Motorola 68000 page. Sega consider it to be 16-bit, even going so far as to print "16-bit" in large letters on the top of the console. Every other machine to use this processor, such as the Atari ST and Amiga are also considered 16-bit, until the inclusion of the Motorola 68020 in the Amiga, at which point it was considered 32-bit. It's not helpful to keep adding the 32-bit claim to this article without citation or consensus. Miremare 00:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay you win. It's a "16 bit console" per Sega. But I find it ironic you use the Atari ST as an example. ST means 16/32 to acknowledge the fact that the 68000 is 32 bit internally, and thus the 68000 software is forwards compatible with all 32-bit motorola CPUs.
Anyway.....


IT SHOULD STILL STATE how many bits the CPU has, as part of the technical breakdown. The N64 page states it uses a 32/64 bit processor. The PS2 page states it uses a 64/128 bit processor. Intellivision states "16 bit processor" and the SNES page states 16 bit processor. Even PS1 states it has a 32-bit processor (even though it was part of the 64 bit generation with the N64). So too do the Xbox, Gamecube, NES, and Sega Master System articles state how many bits their CPUs have (32, 32, 8, and 8, respectively). There should be consistency across all the consoles, such that their articles ALL state how many bits the processor actually has. There's no valid reason to leave the Genesis as the sole exception that does not say how bits its processor has. That's inconsistent and makes no logical sense. - Theaveng 17:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Being 32-bit "internally" doesn't simply make it "32-bit". The 68000 is described in its article as "an implementation of a 32-bit architecture on a 16-bit CPU", therefore the Mega Drive has, quite simply, a 16-bit CPU. As do the others - Atari ST included. Also, what manufacturers print on the front of their consoles may not seem particularly relevant technologically, but don't you think if they could credibly get away with it, Sega would have printed the twice-as-impressive "32-bit" on the Mega Drive, as Commodore did with their 68020-equipped CD32? Now, I don't particularly have an objection to noting the "32-bit" element in the tech specs bit, provided it's linked to the relevent part of the Motorola 68000 article and given a footnote to explain (and provided consensus to do so is reached on this page), but that's not what you're doing - you're adding this. You have also been adding statements elswhere in the article such as this. These edits are explicitly stating that the Motorola 68000 is a 32-bit CPU, which it isn't. These edits are, at best, misleading and confusing to people who don't know the intimate ins and outs of computer processors, or indeed this processor in particular. However, my preference is that it should be left as "16-bit", which is entirely correct, and leave the frankly irrelevent (to this article) details of the CPU's internals to the CPU's own page. Miremare 18:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
WIKIPEDIA RULE: Be Bold. I'm following it.
Every other console of the 80s and 90s lists how many bits the CPU has. Give me a good reason why Sega Genesis should be different (not list the bits), and I'll delete it. But I think it SHOULD include the number of bits.
Also I notice you once again listed Atari ST, and once again you missed the relevance of it being called Atari Sixteen Thirtytwo, as recognition that it's a 32 bit processor, even though its sitting on a 16-bit A/D bus. Look at the wiki article. It clearly states, "As the first member of the successful 32-bit m68k family" as written by User:Potatoswatter. I didn't write that. Somebody else did. - Theaveng 20:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Please actually take the time to read WP:BOLD before trying to use it as justification to do as you please or ride roughshod over other editors when they bring up legitimate concerns. I've asked you several times, I'll ask you once more: please do not keep adding this stuff without concensus. Miremare 22:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Sure, be bold. But don't be reckless. Wikipedia recommends a BOLD, revert, discuss cycle rather than being tendentious.
FWIW, I think trying to put "32-bit" all over the article is trying to prove some sort of point. I see you've been doing the same sort of thing to N64, 16-bit, and 32-bit… Anomie 02:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I must agree with Miremare here. The CPU bitness is largely irrelevant to most readers and when simply injected into the article with (It's actually 32-Bit) is nothing but distracting.
--Anss123 23:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
So should I go through all the consoles like 2600, intellivisin, nes, sms, snes, ps1, ps2, saturn, n64, xbox, gamecube, et cetera..... and delete the bits from their articles? For example where it the NES article says:
=== Central processing unit ===
For its central processing unit (CPU), the NES uses an 8-bit microprocessor produced by Ricoh based on a MOS Technology 6502 core.
Should I delete that reference to the bits? Should I do that to all articles? I'm very confused of what exactly it is ye want. - Theaveng 13:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
The Mega Drive article included the bits (16) before your edits, just like the other articles. But no, you should not go making changes to other articles just to prove a WP:POINT. Miremare 17:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay. - Theaveng 08:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

compatible regions?

i just wondered if different consoles and games from different regions were compatible. for example would a sega genesis game work on a mega drive console. i wonder if this could be be useful information to others also? and could be listed? i couldn't find anything obvious on the page. sorry if i missed it, or if this question seems irrelivant. but it's why i looked at the page. i expect others must have the same question(?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.136.138.161 (talk) 18:08, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

The vast majority of games from any country would work on any Mega Drive or Genesis - and imported games were widely available. The main form of region protection Sega used was simply changing the shape of the cartridge slot of the Genesis and European Mega Drive. They added little "square bits" (for want of a better description) to the rear corners of the slot, the shape of which was inverted on those region's cartridges to allow a close fit while making it impossible to fit Japanese carts. The Japanese machine simply had a perfectly rectangular slot to allow any game to fit, which is why the Japanese machine is the one to go for, though converters were available for European and US machines to play Japanese games (and even a quick attack with a hacksaw to remove the "square bits" would do the job). That is, until they started building electronic region lockout into the carts themselves, but I don't think that was ever very widespread. Perhaps someone else can answer that? Anyway, to answer your question more concisely: yes, pretty much. :) Should it be mentioned in the article? I don't see why not. Miremare 21:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

thankyou for answering my question, and so quickly too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.66.32.186 (talk) 23:53, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

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