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[edit] Merging Second Ave and 2nd Ave Pages

I've merged the most relevant information and links from the 2nd Avenue page. The merged information was regarding the latest SAS developments. The links are from nycsubways.org, regaring the 2nd Ave subway project.

[edit] Construction methods

I added a table that shows the construction method for each block. I created it in Excel, and have the file saved. I know tables can be hard to manipulate in wiki script so if anyone has a better idea for it, please let me know; I can certainly change it and resubmit. -- CoolGuy 17:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It needs some sort of visual clue that this 8-column table is really 4 2-column subsets. Like whitespace or a thick vertical line between columns 2&3, 4&5, 6&7. DMacks 19:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I certainly agree. The converter I have seems to be unable to do add a vertical line. Perhaps someone out there with more table programming experience can help with that one. -- CoolGuy 19:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Done. Not perfect, but better. Say, do you have this as a single(paired) long column layout instead of flowed into 4 side-by-side? I'd like to experiment with some alternate layouts, or at least simpler-to-manage formatting. DMacks 04:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] One column

Please feel free to edit. -- CoolGuy 18:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


Street Construction method
124-125 Cut and Cover
123-124 Cut and Cover
122-123 Cut and Cover
121-122 Cut and Cover
120-121 Cut and Cover
119-120 Existing
118-119 Existing
117-118 Existing
116-117 Cut and Cover
115-116 Cut and Cover
114-115 Cut and Cover
113-114 Existing
112-113 Existing
111-112 Existing
110-111 Existing
109-110 Existing
108-109 Cut and Cover
107-108 Cut and Cover
106-107 Cut and Cover
105-106 Existing
104-105 Existing
103-104 Existing
102-103 Existing
101-102 Existing
100-101 Existing
99-100 Existing
98-99 Existing
97-98 Cut and Cover
96-97 Cut and Cover
95-96 Cut and Cover
94-95 TBM
93-94 TBM
92-93 TBM
91-92 TBM
90-91 TBM
89-90 TBM
88-89 TBM
87-88 TBM
86-87 Mined with Cut and Cover
85-86 Mined with Cut and Cover
84-85 Mined with Cut and Cover
83-84 TBM
82-83 TBM
81-82 TBM
80-81 TBM
79-80 TBM
78-79 TBM
77-78 TBM
76-77 TBM
75-76 TBM
74-75 TBM
73-74 TBM
72-73 Mined with Cut and Cover
71-72 Mined with Cut and Cover
70-71 TBM
69-70 TBM
68-69 TBM
67-68 TBM
66-67 TBM
65-66 TBM
64-65 TBM
63-64 TBM
62-63 TBM
61-62 TBM
60-61 TBM
59-60 TBM
58-59 TBM
57-58 Cut and Cover
56-57 Cut and Cover
55-56 TBM
54-55 TBM
53-54 TBM
52-53 TBM
51-52 TBM
50-51 TBM
49-50 TBM
48-49 TBM
47-48 TBM
46-47 TBM
45-46 TBM
44-45 TBM
43-44 TBM
42-43 Mined with Cut and Cover
41-42 Mined with Cut and Cover
40-41 TBM
39-40 TBM
38-39 TBM
37-38 TBM
36-37 TBM
35-36 TBM
34-35 TBM
33-34 Cut and Cover
32-33 Cut and Cover
31-32 TBM
30-31 TBM
29-30 TBM
28-29 TBM
27-28 TBM
26-27 TBM
25-26 TBM
24-25 TBM
23-24 Mined with Cut and Cover
22-23 Mined with Cut and Cover
21-22 TBM
20-21 TBM
19-20 TBM
18-19 TBM
17-18 TBM
16-17 TBM
15-16 TBM
14-15 Cut and Cover
13-14 Cut and Cover


[edit] One column and abbreviated names

Feel free to edit. CoolGuy 19:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Street Construction method
124-125 C&C
123-124 C&C
122-123 C&C
121-122 C&C
120-121 C&C
119-120 Existing
118-119 Existing
117-118 Existing
116-117 C&C
115-116 C&C
114-115 C&C
113-114 Existing
112-113 Existing
111-112 Existing
110-111 Existing
109-110 Existing
108-109 C&C
107-108 C&C
106-107 C&C
105-106 Existing
104-105 Existing
103-104 Existing
102-103 Existing
101-102 Existing
100-101 Existing
99-100 Existing
98-99 Existing
97-98 C&C
96-97 C&C
95-96 C&C
94-95 TBM
93-94 TBM
92-93 TBM
91-92 TBM
90-91 TBM
89-90 TBM
88-89 TBM
87-88 TBM
86-87 M and C&C
85-86 M and C&C
84-85 M and C&C
83-84 TBM
82-83 TBM
81-82 TBM
80-81 TBM
79-80 TBM
78-79 TBM
77-78 TBM
76-77 TBM
75-76 TBM
74-75 TBM
73-74 TBM
72-73 M and C&C
71-72 M and C&C
70-71 TBM
69-70 TBM
68-69 TBM
67-68 TBM
66-67 TBM
65-66 TBM
64-65 TBM
63-64 TBM
62-63 TBM
61-62 TBM
60-61 TBM
59-60 TBM
58-59 TBM
57-58 C&C
56-57 C&C
55-56 TBM
54-55 TBM
53-54 TBM
52-53 TBM
51-52 TBM
50-51 TBM
49-50 TBM
48-49 TBM
47-48 TBM
46-47 TBM
45-46 TBM
44-45 TBM
43-44 TBM
42-43 M and C&C
41-42 M and C&C
40-41 TBM
39-40 TBM
38-39 TBM
37-38 TBM
36-37 TBM
35-36 TBM
34-35 TBM
33-34 C&C
32-33 C&C
31-32 TBM
30-31 TBM
29-30 TBM
28-29 TBM
27-28 TBM
26-27 TBM
25-26 TBM
24-25 TBM
23-24 M and C&C
22-23 M and C&C
21-22 TBM
20-21 TBM
19-20 TBM
18-19 TBM
17-18 TBM
16-17 TBM
15-16 TBM
14-15 C&C
13-14 C&C

[edit] Tunnel photo; lower Manhattan route; lack of lower Manhattatn connections

A photo exists depicting a completed segment of the tunnel. Let's add it.

Also, under exactly which streets from Canal Street, to the "T line"'s southern terminus, will the line run? --St. James Place? Pearl Street?

The line's southern route will pass by a few existing stations.

  • Bowery - J/M/Z lines
  • Wall Street - 2/3 lines
  • Broad Street - J/M/Z lines

Why will there be no connection with those stations? (There should be a three-way link at Grand Street (Grand -T / Grand -BDQ / Bowery J/M/Z). It is a waste of connectivity potential to omit such connections. Dogru144 15:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[1] shows "transfers under evaluation" to Grand Central. As for the others, it's probably for cost reasons, though I would think they'd want to connect it somewhere south of Grand Street; Grand Street is a pretty good transfer point on its own anyway, accessing the whole southern BMT system, and the Q would also serve the upper SAS. Maybe they figure people going to the Brooklyn IRT should stay on the Lexington Avenue Line. --NE2 20:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The subway is planned to run under 125th Street, 2nd Avenue, Chrystie Street, private ROW south of the Manhattan Bridge to the Bowery and Division Street, the Bowery, Pearl Street, and Water Street, with the tunnel ending at Coenties Slip. --NE2 21:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To New Jersey??

Does anyone know what the map on page 6 of [2] is originally from? It shows a four-track two-level tunnel extending the Second Avenue Subway west from the Battery to New Jersey, with two tracks via Bayonne to Staten Island and two to somewhere in New Jersey. Given the service labels, it was from between 1967 and 1976, when the EE became part of the N. --NE2 17:42, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the site, it was evidently prepared by one of the members (he is named) of this "consortium of advocacy organizations" as a power point presentation. So it is pie-in-the-sky, but better rendered than most. -- Cecropia 15:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fourth groundbreaking?

There was one in 1972, but when were the other two groundbreakings? Might they be counting Chrystie Street and 63rd Street as part of it? This seems somewhat misleading, as those were independent projects. --NE2 17:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I just read [3]. There were apparently separate groundbreakings in 1972, 1973, and 1974. --NE2 17:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
And according to [4], they were 103rd Street (1972), Canal Street (1973), and 2nd Street (1974), and one in 1925 (?). But where was ground broken in 1925? That's probably wrong; [5] says that ground was broken for the IND in 1925. --NE2 18:00, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

So the FTA has not signed a funding agreement to pay for the project yet? Given the history of this project, who wants to bet that NYC will have a problem getting the federal money? Jason McHuff 06:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Where do you get that? My understanding is that the federal funding for Phase I is committed, and construction has begun on that basis. I do have my doubts about Phases II thru IV, but the article can say that only if reliable sources have reported it. Marc Shepherd 13:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
This is different than the past. The Feds have committed themselves, and they will be looking for the money back if it turns into another hole in the ground. -- Cecropia 15:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
A little late but... From the article: "the full funding agreement with the Federal Transit Administration expected to follow within weeks to months". Key word "expected". Consider that with what somebody wrote above: "project has dragged on for 7 decades through wars, peace, boom economies, depressions, recessions, inflation, prosperity" and that the predecessor el has been closed since June 13, 1942 (parallel? 3rd Av since May 12, 1955). That being said, I do understand your point about the Feds granting money specifically for this project, though I believe they require local sources to provide a "match" Jason McHuff 13:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Also see [6] Jason McHuff 14:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Automatic archive

User:Miszabot has automatically archived parts of this talk page to Talk:Second Avenue Subway/Archives. I've added a Template:Archive box to link to the archive; feel free to format it differently, or alter the archive in any way fit. Larry V (talk | e-mail) 04:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)