Talk:Sean Wolfington

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[edit] Speedy Deletion

I have added the tag for speedy deletion. No offense to Sean Wolfington, but it appears that he is the only editor of this page, and it is self promotion of him and his production company. Bytebear 18:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prod

I'm removing the prod tag. While I agree that this is a borderline notability case, I don't think the article should be deleted without discussion, especially considering that it recently survived an AfD on 12/18/2006. However, another AfD might be in order; there was not very much discussion at the last one. I'll tag the article with {{advert}} and hopefully it can be cleaned up, so if that was the only reason for prodding then we'll have no problem. delldot | talk 04:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Advert

Yes, the primary reason for the prod was the fact that is read like an advertisement. Secondary was the questionable notability, which I do not think justifies a Wikipedia article, but you're right, that should be discussed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.151.90.227 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Cleanup advertiness

<edit conflict>I looked at the article trying to clean it up due to concerns brought up by folks proposing deletion, and a couple sentences caught my eye as being in need of editing for advert-like language: "Wolfington's Company, BZ Results, contributed to generating over 2 billion in automotive sales worldwide." This would be better if it just said the amount. The language "Over 2 billion" looks kind of advert-y to my eyes. Similarly, I recently changed "almost $400 million dollars" to "around $400 million dollars", since the latter seemed less advert-y to me, but it would be better to just have a closer estimate of what the amount actually was.

"Wolfington also produced "Self-Medicated" which garnered more awards than any other independent film in 2006." This would be better if the article just stated which awards it won. If the awards themselves aren't notable, the sentence should probably be removed.

A more difficult problem is just that there's no negative info in the article to make it seem balanced: it's mostly about awards and so on. The best solution would be to find balanced info. Failing that, maybe we should take out some of the more glowing awards stuff.

I found no google hits for "Wolfington Charitable Foundation", can someone provide a source for the Foundation? I took out the wording that the foundation "seeks to serve the poor, defend the defensless and help the culture" since it was too vague and glowing to me. A more precice description of what the foundation does along with a reference would be best. As with the rest of the material, if it can't be verified, it should probably be taken out. Personally, I think this article will be fine after some cleaning up and will not need to be deleted. Thanks, delldot | talk 17:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The claim sounds too ambiguous. For example, when I go to my local and have a shot and a pint, I have just contributed to generating over X billion in liquor sales worldwide. If the company is notable enough, some reputable 3rd party source has published the exact figures. If the firm is not notable enough to have been written up by such a source then the article should be deleted until more notability is gained. Cheers. L0b0t 04:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Sounds fair, find sources or remove the info. But also, how about the fact that he produced Bella, which won the 2006 Toronto film festival, as a claim to notability? delldot | talk 07:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, just popping in here by request: Sean is actually a Wikipedia editor, so I think most of these questions could be resolved quickly by simply asking him for the needed information. He should be able to provide sources for anything that is of any question, and I believe he would be happy to do so. I can't say I really expect him to be as helpful in providing negative information about himself (indeed, who among us would want to?), but there may be something that was less stellar in his history but is relevant that he may be willing to contribute. I'm going to point him here to this discussion, with a caution to not edit the article himself; it would be great if you guys could put together a list of what needs to be sourced and any other questions you have (remembering that we're asking him questions about himself, so we need to be careful about how they are worded), which he could then go through and answer. If I'm needed for anything, please let me know. Regards, Essjay (Talk) 07:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Will do, I'll work on the list tomorrow. delldot | talk 08:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions

Here are some suggestions and questions for improving the article:

  • "Sean Wolfington founded and sold two technology and internet marketing companies over the last eight years for around $400 million dollars in enterprise value."
    • What were the names of the two firms? (One was BZ Results, I take it).
    • What is a closer estimate of the enterprise value?
    • Which eight years exactly? (Am I to assume 1998-2006?)
  • "BZ Results was therefore recognized as the winner of the “Innovative Company of the Year” along with SAP in 2006."
    • Is this a notable award? Was it mentioned in any news stories other than the magazine? If this didn't get mentioned in the press, it's probably not notable and should be removed.
  • "Sean Wolfington is chairman of The Wolfington Charitable Foundation."
    • What does the Foundation do? (I removed wording that I thought was too vague and glowing earlier). Precice is better.
    • Has the foundation been mentioned in the news or other printed sources? It would be good to link to something here, even if just the foundation's webpage.
  • "Wolfington also produced "Self-Medicated" which garnered more awards than any other independent film in 2006."
    • Which awards did it win? Was this mentioned in the press? Again, if the awards weren't mentioned in the press they are probably not notable.
  • "Wolfington Executive Produced "Swing State Ohio"."
    • What is Wolfington Executive? Sorry if this is explained somewhere, I didn't catch it.
  • Overall, I think the article would benefit from more citations. This will also help to assert notability more clearly and make it more likely to survive another AFD.

Sorry, this is a lot of work. But any help would be appreciated! delldot | talk 18:50, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Response to questions

Here are some answers to the questions i have the answers to:

    • The first companies known name was Cyber Car and Automark but they were legally owned by the holding company called HAC Group which was sold to Reynolds & Reynolds in April of 2000 and the 2nd company was named BZ Results which was sold to ADP in March of 2006. Here are 2 links that reference the sales:

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-61625042.html http://wardsdealer.com/ar/auto_adp_bolsters_website/

    • The enterprise values are as follows - HAC Group was $200 million ($140m up front & $60m earnout) and BZ Results was $125 million (all cash after debt) which is a total of $325 million in enterprise value plus some other extra funds. I kept it approximate because neither company gave exact numbers out.
    • We created the most valuable part of our company, Cyber Car in 1998 and sold the holding company,HAC Group, in 2000 to Reynolds & Reynolds. Then we sold BZ Results to ADP in March of 2006.
  • "BZ Results was therefore recognized as the winner of the “Innovative Company of the Year” along with SAP in 2006."
    • The "Innovative Company of the Year" Award is very notable and it is given out by one of the most credible publications in the automotive industry. The "Entreprenuer of the Year" award is given out by Ernst & Young - i did not win this but i was a finalist as it says.
    • The Wolfington Foundation does what it says. It is general because we give to multiple causes that fit under the main missions of the foundation as listed. If this is not specific enough for the guidelines i understand if you want to delete it.
    • The foundation is not publicized because that is not the style of how we give. For the most part we give anonymously and if the people know we are giving we do not want publicity.
    • The film Self Medicated has won 38 awards at film festivals around the world, which is more than any other film in 2006. The festivals are listed on the website www.SelfMedicated.com and there are many links to articles that have been published at this website: http://www.selfmedicated.com/blog_new/
    • I was the executive producer of a film called "Swing State Ohio". It is a documentary that just finished post production.
    • There have been over 800 articles written about the film we made that won the Toronto International Film Festival. The films name is "Bella". There was a reference to whether or not major publications had written about the film and here are a few publications that wrote about it: NY Times, Fox, ABC, Hollywood Reporter, CNN, Univision etc... Here is a new article from www.Zenit.org about an award our film and director recieved at the white house: http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=101940 . All of these articles are credible 3rd party sources.

I hope this information helps. Per the suggestions of the editors I will leave all of these changes up to you. Thank you again for taking the time to help me with this. Sean.Seanwolfington 05:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

This is great info! I can work on incorporating some of this tomorrow, hopefully (otherwise, soon). The more sources we can find that feature Sean specifically, the better, in terms of WP:NOTE and WP:V. Also, can we find a source that mentions the Foundation? Anyway, I'm off to bed, I'll have a closer look tomorrow. Thanks a bunch, Sean! delldot | talk 05:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't know of any sources that mention the foundation because i prefer anonymity with my giving. I can give references to organizations that can be called if that is necessary. In reference to the new articles that reference me, the recent article at www.Zenit.org mentions me as does the article about selling BZ Results to ADP. In general, the publicity for the film focuses more on the talent than the producer. Thanks.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Seanwolfington (talk • contribs)

I made some of the changes, so hopefully they're suitable. I'll look at it more later. Let me know what you think. delldot | talk 05:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How's that?

That should take care of the loaded language. I'll watch this page for a while. If others have comments on my edit, please let me know. I'm still new here and trying to learn all I can. Thanks. -- TomXP411[Talk] 08:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Fixes

I've done some quick fixes:

  • Removed nonsense about other movies, no mention or bearing to wolfington other than the fact that he was remotely involved in the movie.
  • Consolidated film information to suffice, WP:WEIGHT:
  • Merged information on BZ Results into ADP -- the purchaser of the company.
  • Merged HAC Group into ReyRey's article.
  • Removed movie spam, merged it into the movies, if it wasn't there iirc.
  • Fixed movie wiki links
  • Removed external link spam

EvanCarroll (talk) 03:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] What we need

I'm leaving a lot of this article with Refimprove the following must be sufficed or removed (at some point).

  • Link to HAC Group, where does it mention wellington.
  • Reliable non-blog link to swing-state movie thing.

EvanCarroll (talk) 05:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

This also seems shady

In addition Wolfington is co-owner of Metanoia Films, in conjunction with Eustace Wolfington, Director Alejandro Gomez Monteverde, former Fox Business Affairs executive Leo Severino, and Latin actor Eduardo Verastegui.[3] Metanoia Films owns half of the film Bella, and the other half is owned by a media investment company called the One Media group, which Wolfington owns.

To resume-ish and doesn not pertain to Wolfington.

EvanCarroll (talk) 05:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] me (User:EvanCarroll)

As my user page says too, I'm employeed by Dealermade, we compete against the Wolfington companies, but I've got nothing against him. Just disclaiming what might be perceived as bias. EvanCarroll (talk) 05:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dubious

Can someone link Sean to being the CEO of HAC Group? The link is missing. EvanCarroll (talk) 00:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)