Talk:Scottish cringe

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This seems to have started out purely as an ethnic insult about six months ago, and has failed to become anything else despite several attempts at improvement. AfD? Andrewa 00:58, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Before considering AfD, check out Google for context. It's generally used by Scottish commentators talking about their own culture: see [1], [2], [3], [4],[5], and so on. Tearlach 01:48, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

I did check Google of course, but perhaps not well enough.

I certainly am not saying that nobody uses the term! But to be encyclopedic it isn't enough for a term to be used; That just gets it into a lexicon, not into an encyclopedia. To get into an encyclopedia, the term needs to describe something about which we have some information.

The external link now added to the article (your first reference above) now gives the article some substance, as it's a citable authority. Thank you! I've added the actual citation. I'm inclined to think it can now grow, so AfD is off my agenda. Good stuff. Room for more improvement IMO. Andrewa 09:50, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

In view of the fact that it now looks like this article could grow, I've added a stub notice (there didn't seem much point before). Thanks again for your input. Andrewa 21:15, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

I was thinking that this does not exist in scotland, as i live here, and haven't heard it mentioned. I live in Glasgow, work in Edinburgh and drink in both and haven't heard it spoken. I think it is only used in context by politicians, coined by Jack McConnoll. 20:20 20th September 2005 (GMT) User:scope_creep

In agreement with the above, I am from, and live in Scotland and never heard the phrase until politicians and (bad) journalists started using it. Although the journalists prefer "Caledonian cringe" in an attempt to be poetic.

As a Scot born and bred I am quite familiar with the term. --Carmock (talk) 10:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Offensive and Insulting

I am a Scot and have never heard of this phrase.It is deeply offensive and insulting ,and in my oppinion,should be deleted.

Webpendragon 09:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)webpendragon 22 September 2007

The fact that someone, somewhere finds something offensive or insulting is not grounds to remove it. --Breadandcheese (talk) 11:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ferguson quote

The section on the quote by Ferguson is at the least incomplete. I read his article as an advocacy of a Scottish cringe which does not yet, but should, exist. Mutt Lunker (talk) 12:00, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid I read it rather differently: not that there should be a Scottish cultural cringe, but rather that Scotland should not exist as a cultural entity. --Breadandcheese (talk) 11:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Agree with you and also what I meant but, on reflection, not really how I've expressed it. We're agreed the partial quote gave a false impression though? Will work on phrasing. Also agree re irrelevance of "offensive and insulting". Mutt Lunker (talk) 12:47, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Last bullet point

The third bullet point:

• even though part of the ruling nation within the British Empire, a tendency of many Scots to perceive themselves as victims of English colonialism and cultural imperialism within British institutions, such as the perceived marginalisation of coverage of Scottish affairs by the BBC.

does not seem to me a manifestation of the Scottish cringe at all. My understanding of the cringe is that it is essentially a sense of inferiority or embarrassment at all things Scottish felt by some Scots themselves. Someone manifesting the Scottish cringe would therefore be unlikely to feel hard done by any marginalisation of coverage of Scottish affairs by the BBC. They would be more likely not to acknowledge any marginalisation or to see it as natural and proper. --Carmock (talk) 10:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair point. Mutt Lunker (talk) 18:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)