Talk:Scots-Irish

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[edit] Gallowglass

Maybe a mention to the Gallowglass, are they technically Scots-Irish? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.142.13.252 (talk) 10:45:18, August 19, 2007 (UTC)


[edit] In Northern Ireland (Ulster)

"In Northern Ireland (Ulster), Americans of Scots-Irish descent ..." appears to equate Northern Ireland with Ulster. Not accurate, and poor usage.

[edit] Famous Scots-Irish?

Anyone for 'Famous Scots-Irish'? I am a modest representative of the type, and am opposed to list-making, but I'm much more certain that John C. Calhoun was Scots-Irish than that he was UU (and I'm sure that he'd be appalled to be connected with the list of princples on that page - he might have believed that everyone was going to heaven, but he sure didn't think he'd have to sit with them.) --MichaelTinkler

[edit] Scotch-Irish?

moved Scots-Irish to Scotch-Irish; new Scots-Irish; removed usage note. i'm both, afaik it's neither archaic nor offensive. Badanedwa 02:31, May 13, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Geography

Maybe someone could expand on useage notes. I would think there would be differences between useage in the USA vs. UK. Roodog2k 14:31 EDT, 11 AUG 2004

[edit] Protestantism

This is bad English, "The Scots-Irish ethnic group has a very strong tendency towards protestantism". A tendency towards Protestantism? The Scots-Irish were Presbyterians mostly in religion, although you could find some Anglicans, "Independents" and Quakers among them. The use of "tendency" I feel is facetious and sneering.

[edit] Anglican vs. Episcopalian

Anglicans in Ireland during the 17th century belonged to the Church of Ireland, which was at the time directly subject to the Church of England; nearly all Anglicans at that time were Anglo-Irish, or "New English" (as opposed to the "Old English", or Hiberno-Normans, such as the Burkes, Fitzgeralds, and Martins of Galway). The Scots whose practices and church polity were vitrually identical to that of COI and COE were Episcopalians, but these were not as yet part of the Anglican Communion, and did not become so until 1807. A major reason for this was the fact that the Scottish Episcopal Church was Non-juring and Jacobite before that year, with its members suffering under the same Penal Laws as Presbyterians, and even today maintains a separate presence in the province of Ulster.

[edit] Scots-Irish in US & Canada

There is no info on Canada in this section, why is Canada included in the title? Perhaps someone knowledgeable could add some information. Basser g 01:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Balance

It's not true that most Scots-Irish were on the rebel side of the American Revolution. The Scots-Irish were evenly divided, especially in the Carolinas. 71.68.17.30 19:02, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Ulster-Scots

I am proposing that this article be merged with Ulster-Scots as they both deal with the same group of people, but under different names and from slightly different perspectives. However, I'd like to test the water first before putting any tamplates up. --sony-youthpléigh 20:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. Both articles are in need of attention and it would be good to pool the "good bits" of both and try to create something better. --John 21:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
OK - I put up the templates. --sony-youthpléigh 23:18, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Speaking as one who is Scotch-Irish, I would not merge Scotch-Irish with Ulster-Scots. To me the two are very different. It would be like merging "Pennsylvania Dutch" with "German". To me, the term Scotch-Irish brings to mind images of log cabins in wooded mountain hollers, banjos and coon hounds, and has nothing to do with Lambeg drums, the color orange or kings named Billy.

Scotch-Irish is an American term (I don't know if it's used in Canada), and refers to immigrants to the American colonies from the Ulster area in the 17th and 18th centuries, and to their descendants. Ulster-Scots seems to be immigrants to Ireland from Scotland, and their descendants still living in Ireland. Maybe the two were related once, but it was a few hundred years ago.

And the term is Scotch-Irish, not Scots-Irish. I do not like it when people try to tell me what I should call myself. My Dad died a couple of months ago and I wrote "Scotch-Irish" on the forms I had to fill out. When I got the death certificate back, some bureaucrat had changed it to "Scottish/Irish". I can hear my Dad grumbling still.--Eastcote (talk) 04:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Remove article

This article shoudl be abandoned in favor of Scots-Irish American Shoreranger 03:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, good idea, then disambiguate "Scots-Irish" to "Scots-Irish American" and "Ulster Scots"? --sony-youthpléigh 13:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
There's no such thing as Scottish-Irish (someone born in Scotland, who becomes an Irish citizen)? GoodDay 23:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
You aren't by any chance some rabid Irish nationalist who is out to deny the existance of Northern Ireland, are you, GoodDay (as might be alleged against others)!?? See here. --sony-youthpléigh 20:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I put up new banners for the new proposal. --sony-youthpléigh 20:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree there should be a single article for Scotch-Irish. I'd prefer simply "Scotch-Irish", but you can call it "Scotch-Irish American" if you want, but please don't call it "Scots-Irish". That's like finger nails on a blackboard to me.--Eastcote (talk) 03:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)