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The historical part of the article is confused: It appears that King Christian IX of Denmark had only daughters and that he was dying around 1864 (he lived until 1906!). Also, the king was king of Denmark and (until 1864) duke (not king) of Schleswig-Holstein.

The text needs re-writing by someone who masters the very complicated history.

S.

I think that the article meant Christian VIII of Denmark !

The king dying in 1863 was Frederick VII of Denmark. He was childless. --Valentinian 14:17, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

In order to make it more accurate, I've removed the following paragraphs:

For its part, however, the Danish Crown was not overly concerned with this development, partly because Schleswig and Holstein seemed to have always belonged to Denmark; partly because this was before the era of Nation-states and there was nothing strange with several different languages being spoken by the sovereign's subjects; and also because no powerful state in the south had ever challenged its power. In his role as a Duke of Holstein the King of Denmark actually belonged to the Holy Roman Empire of German nation, i.e. Germany of those times.
A dramatic and strange collision of national interests would however occur when certain, previously avoided, basic factors came into play with the opening of the 1800s.
The first, the odd fact that although Schleswig and Holstein had indeed belonged to the Crown of Denmark for ages past, it was in fact, in a most technical sense, a separate state, the unseparable Duchies of Schleswig and Holstein. Indeed, Schleswig, Holstein and Denmark had the same ruler (the 'King' of Denmark and the 'Duke' of Schleswig and Holstein, but due to international treaty obligations originating centuries earlier, there was never any actual legal unification of the two areas.
The second fact however, proved problematic. As a matter of House-Law and State Succession Laws, which together form the legal conditions which govern the inheritance of Noble honours and privileges - Schleswig Holstein could never be inherited by a female, whilst the Kingdom of Denmark could. So-called Salic Law governed Schleswig-Holstein, that is, as part of feudal tradition which states that since women cannot contribute to military defense, they may not inherit land - Schleswig Law, as agreed to in earlier times, quite specifically forbade female inheritance. The Law of the Kingdom of Denmark, on the other hand, was cognatic - not discriminating by gender.
Unfortunately for Denmark -- at a time which proved opportune for the Dutchies' primarily German population -- it was observed that the Frederik VII had only daughters, and no sons. By ancient obligation, the one land must be inherited by the Danish Crown Princess, and the other by a male - a cousin of the son-less Danish King who happened to be German by speech and custom.

The confusion above needs to be straightened out.
-- Ruhrjung 23:17 19 May 2003 (UTC)

An important component in the Schleswig-Holstein problem was that German nationalists claimed that the Salic Law applied to both Holstein and Schleswig while Danish nationalists claimed that Denmark and Schleswig had the same law of succession but that Holstein followed the Salic Law. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 23:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't have the text of the peace treaty to hand, but as I recall its paragraph 5 had some fascinating stuff about the "grandfathered" transitional method of sorting out issues about the transferred population, the "optant" method. Perhaps someone can look it up and incorporate material from it. (Note: there is another significant paragraph 5 in Danish history, the one in the penal code used in the 19th century to close down houses of ill repute - one in Copenhagen was closed so often it became known as the "Paragraph 5"!) PML.

What is so special about the Frisian dialect spoken on Helgoland that it needs a reference in the Languages paragraph? Actually the correct term would be "Halluner". Also, there are a multitude of North Frisian dialects. Halluner is closely related to Fering and Ömrang which is spoken on Föhr and Amrum, respectively. I think this reference can simply be removed.
JK 19:37 11 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Expellees

Someone with some solid, data-based info might add a sentence or two about the significant number of eastern-German expellees who settled in Schleswig-Holstein after 1945. A very large number were landed there after being evacuated by sea from Danzig (Gdańsk) and Pillau (Baltiysk) before those ports were overrun by the Red Army. I read somewhere that a fairly large number remained in Schleswig-Holstein.

Sca 17:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Languages

The official languages are German, Low German, Danish, and Frisian.

[edit] Wind Energy

Some mention might be made of their impressive wind power infrastructure, I don't think i'm the one to do it.MennoMan (talk) 18:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Land Seal

Someone may need to look into the legalities of the land seal we are using. The state website suggests, there is an "Approved" public use state seal and one that is for use by the STATE ONLY!!! Just something to look into.MKLPTR 22:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC) from the Schleswig-Holstein landesportal on the Landeswappen
(DE)
Verbände, Firmen, Vereine und andere Institutionen fragen häufig bei der Landesregierung an, ob sie das Landeswappen auf Briefköpfen abdrucken oder bei ihrer Öffentlichkeitsarbeit verwenden dürfen. Das offizielle Landeswappen dürfen nur Landesbehörden und Notare benutzen. Die Landesregierung stellt jedoch ein abgewandeltes Landeswappen zur Verfügung. Es ist dem Wappen sehr ähnlich und kann von jedermann verwendet werden. Das abgewandelte Landeswappen kann am Ende des Textes heruntergeladen werden.
Von: [1]http://schleswig-holstein.de/Portal/DE/LandLeute/Landeswappen/Landeswappen__node.html__nnn=true
(EN)
Associations, companies, clubs and other institutions often ask the Land Government whether they may print the Land coat of arms on letter-heads or use it in their public relations work. The official Land coat of arms may only be used by Land authorities and notaries. However, the Land Government does offer a modified coat of arms. It is very similar to the official one and can be used by everyone. It is available for download at the end of the text.
Source: http://schleswig-holstein.de/Portal/EN/Service/CoatArms/CoatArms.html [2]
-MKLPTR