Talk:Sawney Bean

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Article states Bean was the head of his family in the "early 15th century" but was born in the "early 14th century" during the reign of King James VI of Scotland (late 16th century - early 17th century.) zannerat 09:01, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Edinburgh Tourism 2 Dating 3 POV 4 Chapbooks 5 Merge 6 Sawney Beane

[edit] Edinburgh Tourism

I'm a little unsure about this phrase, isn't Bean supposed to have lived in Ayrshire? This isn't anywhere near Edinburgh, or is it just meant to signify Scottish tourism by mentioning the capital? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.11.9 (talk) 21:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

That's probably in there because the Edinburgh Dungeons has a wee bit about he Bean clan. Not really sure if that' notable enough to be in there. - Duncan Sneddon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.212.246.219 (talk) 13:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dating

I agree that this is nonsense. A brief google suggests that Bean is supposed to have lived in the reign of James I, 1406-1437. I doubt there is any historical basis to either version, but James I is at least more consistent, and seems to be better attested. 10.55 09 November 2005

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[edit] POV

The article states:

"Bean tried to take up the family profession, but quickly realized that he had little taste for honest work... He left home with a woman who shared his views on honest labor."

Isn't this a little more than POV? I'd make the change myself, but know very little on the subject. — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:59, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

It's all just unverified legend and myths, and that's the way I've found that the legend is consistently told. How would you change it? - Lifefeed 18:03, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

I could think of a couple of different ways to rephrase this, but to do so would presume that there is a commonly-expressed POV that would endorse or promote the lifestyle of the Bean family. There is NPOV & then there is NPOV (to offer my POV.) -- llywrch 19:21, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Chapbooks

About when did these chapbooks describing the life of Sawney Bean & his brood appear? Befor the Jacobite Rebellion of '45? Or '05? That would help define whether we have fiction or legend-encrusted fact here. -- llywrch 19:21, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Merged information in from Sawney Beane page, which has been redirected here.

I found the writing a bit snappier on that page but more precise information and Wikification on this page. It could definitely use some tightening up, especially eliminating redundancy (some of which was there before I merged!)

The title is also problematic. I think it's more Wiki to use his full name and quote-mark his nickname, but is "Bean" or "Beane" the more common spelling? To me, it's the latter. So perhaps we should move this all to one with the 'e' at the end.

I've done nothing to check the "facts" of the rumor, though, other than a cursory read. --Dhartung | Talk 23:26, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Sawney Beane

This page should be entitled "Sawney Bean". I don't think he is often, if ever, referred to as "Alexander Bean", although I'm sure that there will be some reference to that. That is hypercorrection. Many Scots are referred to by what Dhartung calls a "nickname" above. --MacRusgail 15:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree: this should be moved to Sawney Bean as that is the most common name used in English. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Google test: "Sawney Bean" 30,100. "Sawney Beane" 16,800.
"Alexander "Sawney" Bean" 413. "Alexander "Sawney" Beane" 40.
Seems pretty clear to me. I support the move to Sawney Bean. --Kathryn NicDhàna 18:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

It was movable, so I moved it. When I was merging the two articles in 2004 I wasn't yet aware of naming conventions so I chose the article title with more information. But clearly it should be at the most common name. --Dhartung | Talk 09:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)