Talk:Save Me from Myself (album)

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[edit] Album Title

If he's a Christian now, why is his new album called It's Time To See Religion Die? Does anyone else but me see that as just a wee bit hypocritical? Of course, Christianity if FILLED with hypocrites.

I don't want to start a discussion, but Christianity is not a religion.

How long has it taken him to get this shit out? 74.120.225.195 13:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Going on two years now. R-Tiztik 18:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Yep yep. Christianity is not a religion. Thats why "religion" is the 5th word on the Christianity page. I think head is doing a tongue in cheek thing, if he really meant it, it wouldnt be hypocritical, it would be plain stupid.

This page is not for the discussion of what religion is or isn't, nor the hypocricy of the album title. Just to clear it up, though, religion means rules and requirements to appease a deity, which christianity is not, however there are some things mentioned in the bible as "true religion" (the only time the word is used in the bible) and that refers to helping the elderly and the impoverished. It's a common thing among Protestants of all kinds to say that "religion" is a bad thing, but they're referring to the bondage of religiosity, such as Catholics requiring their priests to be celebate, Jewish people not using cars and phones on the Sabbath and things to those effects. It's just a terminology issue, that's all. Anyway, Hopefully that settles the matter and we can discuss adjustments and improvements that may be made to this page, especially due to its now impending release. --lincalinca 15:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

If this page is not for discussion of religion then you shouldn't have even made this comment - as if your word is the final say in the matter. So I will put my two cents in here. Your definition of religion is wholly inadequate. While there is no consensus on the definition, it is universally accepted that religions make inquiries into the questions of existence such as "how did we get here?", "why are we here?", and "where are we going?". Religions are fusions of philosophy and culture - often philosophy as filtered through a cultural context. Not all religions even feature gods, making your definition not only inadequate, but WRONG. Finally, Christianity most certainly is a religion, as anyone with any knowledge on the matter would define it. Godheval 04:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

And so is everything that makes us little pigs feel whole...

I think Brian's use of the title is to imply that even he, as a new Christian, feels that the religion and sheep-hearding nature that Christianity has turned into needs to be brought down and stripped down to it's origina form that Jesus shows in the Gospels... Either way, that's the title, he's a Christian now, and this is his new cd...

What he's doing is very common in the modern American Christian community. They talk about hating religion, meaning the practice of religious acts instead of "spirituality." I think it's semantics, but to each his own. Tim Long 18:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I think Tim got it right. Not that it matters now that the album has been retitled Save Me From Myself. Blackngold29 (talk) 02:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Release Date

Is this album ever going to be released? It's starting to feel like Guns 'N' Roses' Chinese Democracy. Dark Executioner 15:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

At least this album has been a mere two years in the making, rather than in the case of Chinese Democracy's extensive 13-year production haha. R-Tiztik 19:46, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
There are many albums by different bands that take a while to produce. Deftones usually take a little while, The Smashing Pumpkins' latest album took almost two years, and there are others. You also have to add Head's book and his various "trips" to that timeline to see why it's taking some time. ... or maybe he's crafting a masterpiece... who knows. --Zahveed 19:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

Every page that references the article and the article itself claims the album to have a 2007 release, and I think Brian Welch's page claims it to have already been released. Is there a new release date issued so we can fix these, or should be just change it to "2007-2008" to cover all the bases? (Also, Tiztik is right and not only are your comments annoying to have to skip over when looking through this page, they're rather offensive too)John R S 06:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Currently there is no renewed release date set. Brian's website recently updated (for the first time), but only included information regarding his autobiography Save Me From Myself. The Fortitude Music website has not mentioned any specific release date, nor does any external source such as Blabbermouth.net. I would assume that the album would at least receive a review from magazines such as Kerrang! 2-3 weeks prior to the album's release, and that Amazon would set it up on their online store for pre-orders, which so far has not happened. I would say when we are presented with a review or the beginning of pre-orders online, then we can be sure that the album is definitely on its way. I would suggest just changing the Infobox release field to read "Late-2007". It's done; they can only prolong the release for whatever reasons for so long. R-Tiztik 17:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I've also expanded on the Background information section and added a Song descriptions section, and added sources to each respective bit, after going through every interview MTV News has conducted with Brian; due to the fact that this article was really lacking sources. I've also added track lengths to the few that leaked in December. Some of the leaks cut off before concluding, such as "A Cheap Name", so there are more leaks than those with lengths noted. No point adding an inaccurate length tho. R-Tiztik 22:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I took out the quote by Trevor Dunn as it is not nor should it be a part of a persons bio. It would be appropriate for the albums article, but not for Brian Welch's article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.66.169.90 (talk) 03:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Ummm............ "It would be appropriate for the albums article, but not for Brian Welch's article." I don't know how you could have possibly missed the point that this is an album article. Brian's article is here, but I thought that was redundant. R-Tiztik 16:12, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tracklisting/Current Progress

According to the Korn-Locker and other various Korn fan sites, Head was on HardDrive Radio and said that there he is currently in the mixing stage and song title include "Rebel", "Washed in Blood", and "Save Me From Myself". The title of the album is also tentative.[1]--Zahveed 21:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that the guitar solo instrumental song, dedicated to Dimebag Darrell, is a very respectful gesture towards Dime's comment to Munky and Head, sometime in the past, to "put some solos in Korn's works." Ironically, it's been said that Munky will put at least 1 solo on the upcoming Korn album.
Dark Executioner 20:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

I've been listening to the leaks increasingly over the last few days, I'm starting to really crave the finished product. I've also come to realize that for anyone who has not heard the leaks and does not know where to find them, I can help shape your vision of what to expect by saying that the record sounds frighteningly similar to "Hollow Life", a song from Korn's 2002 album Untouchables. That's probably Korn's most comparable work to It's Time to See Religion Die. Only five of the eight leaks have lyrics, but I think the complete album will only feature one physical instrumental, "A Letter to Dimebag" (an extremely compelling guitar solo, backed by a looping piano composition). The lyrics are centered around views and expressions of God trying to acknowledge, but not force upon, a religion that can save an individual he sees as otherwise "doomed". I feel a bit silly expressing that idea since I myself am not a Christian, unlike Brian and his music, but I'm not stupid enough to think that his message isn't what it apparently is! Lol. I think the album sounds great though, can't wait 'til there is a solid release date. Personally, every time I hear songs from it, I'm reminded of The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker and music thereof, if that does anything for you. R-Tiztik 22:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

His site has been relaunched, and there is a link to a new myspace page that lists Tony Levin and Josh Freese as the other musicians. Looks like no more Trevor Dunn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.227.156.192 (talk) 23:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This Sucks

Brian is either stupid or incredibly horrible at recording an album without Korn-He should've stayed with them, and possibly done this album on the side-OR accepted Jonathan D's offer to stay at home with family while Korn toured, and still be paid. Kickazz 15:44, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

At least he's been working at it all this time. There are leaks out there, download them yourself and decide whether this album was worth the wait. He should not have taken Jon's offer because at the time (and even still) it did not coincide with Brian's newfound morality. Besides, he's said countless times, and even at his testimony at the Valley Bible Fellowship, that he doesn't want to profit money from the making of the album; he's donating all the money, he doesn't want it. So either way, Brian can only gain, personally, from not returning to Korn. Korn's an awesome band and all, but Brian is a great guitarist himself and even though Korn haven't been relatively the same since their last work with Brian (Take a Look in the Mirror), Brian has needs of his own.
If he did return to Korn eventually, he would probably sit and have a big discussion over the way things should be, or improve. Now that he knows he can write lyrics, he will probably have some involvement in the writing of the lyrics, since provocative lyrics were the ultimate reason for Brian leaving the band in the first place. From what I've heard of It's Time to See Religion Die, it is going to be a very promising album. R-Tiztik 18:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion?

Why is this article been proposed for deletion? Wikipedia's not a crystal ball and neither is this article. It's filled with sources and background information, and it's coming, unlike some other future albums' articles that sport little more than an Infobox and a few lines of a summary. By formatting standards this article has a secure place at Wikipedia. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 20:18, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Head is a band?

After looking around more I've come upon Head (band) for the first time. I personally have been keeping up with Welch's progress for the past few months and have never once heard him refer to Head as a band, it was always called a "Solo project". Which is it? Similar to James Labrie's Elements of Persuasion, just because there are others who perform on the album doesn't make it a band. Blackngold29 16:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)