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[edit] Sauerkraut in Dutch cuisine

I have some addition, maybe someone can ad. This article mentions that Sauerkraut is a traditional ingredient in the Dutch Cuisine. But not how it is eaten in the Netherlands. It is traditionally eaten by mashing it with potatoes, typically in the winter season. This is what's mentioned in the Dutch Cuisine Wiki:

"Zuurkoolstamppot, sauerkraut mashed with potatoes. Served with fried bacon or a sausage. Sometimes curry powder, raisins or slices of pineapple are used to give a stamppot an exotic touch."

This sausage is mostly a smoked sausage. These last exotic additions are not very tradional, but more contemporary variants.

[edit] Is sauerkraut healthy or healthful?

Admittedly, this is a totally immaterial issue, but I can't resist a quick response. One sentence said that "Raw sauerkraut is an extremely healthy food", which Mzajac changed to "healthful food", arguing that healthy food is "food that is not sick". I changed this back as I felt that "healthy food" was a perfectly common and correct thing to say, at least in contexts where it can't possibly be misunderstood as the opposite of "sick food". Mzajac changed it back again, saying that "'vunerable', and using 'loose' for 'lose'" were also common. What can I say? Maybe he is right and we really should distinguish more carefully between healthy and healthful. If so, Google provides some disillusioning results: 2,190,000 hits for "healthy food" [1] against 35,400 for "healthful food" [2] worldwide; 49,900 hits for "healthy food" [3] and 258 for "healthful food" [4] in the UK. Thus, the "healthy-healthful" ratio is 62:1 internationally, and a staggering 193:1 for the UK. Mzajac, I'm afraid you're fighting a loosing battle... ;-) --Thorsten1 18:01, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Cheers, Thorsten. I probably say "healthy food" myself, all the time. There may be other examples where an incorrect usage will show up more often in colloquial speech or in Google search results. I bet more people write "is comprised of" when they mean "comprises". Nevertheless, healthy means "not sick", and it's incorrect to write it when you mean "promoting health", in formal writing. —Michael Z. 2005-05-29 19:17 Z
Whatever. I think we are both misunderestimating the irrelevance of this little dispute, which is making me me dislike sauerkraut even more. ;) --Thorsten1 19:47, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
"which is making me dislike sauerkraut even more" ... I guess your dislike of sauerkraut causes you to quarrel about such a linguistic details. In order to be more happy person eat a lot's of this excellent food. I recommend especially "kapustnica", soup where you don't use any water, just sauerkraut juice, pure joy of fermentation ...
For reference,
  • Merriam-Webster Collegiate has definition 3 for healthy: conducive to health
  • Oxford American Dictionary has definition 2 for healthy: indicative of, conducive to, or promoting good health
  • Oxford English Dictionary has definition 2a for "healthy": Conducive to or promoting health; wholesome, salubrious; salutary.
  • American Heritage Dictionary has definition 2 for healthy: Conducive to good health; healthful. There is even a usage note on this very issue denouncing the demand for a nonexistent distinction:
Usage Note: The distinction in meaning between healthy (“possessing good health”) and healthful (“conducive to good health”) was ascribed to the two terms only as late as the 1880s. This distinction, though tenaciously supported by some critics, is belied by citational evidence—healthy has been used to mean “healthful” since the 16th century. Use of healthy in this sense is to be found in the works of many distinguished writers, with this example from John Locke being typical: “Gardening... and working in wood, are fit and healthy recreations for a man of study or business.” Therefore, both healthy and healthful are correct in these contexts: a healthy climate, a healthful climate; a healthful diet, a healthy diet.
In short, no major dictionary supports the notion that there is any reason, even in formal writing, to not say something like "healthy food". Nohat 16:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Similar products in Manchuria

I added the following: The similar food is also seen in Manchuria, where it is called "suan cai" in Mandarin.--Manchurian Tiger 01:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lactic Acid Bacteria

G'day, I made some minor edits to reflect the fact that sauerkraut fermentation does not involve only Lactobacillus bacteria. In fact, L. spp are late to the party, once Leuconostoc mesenteroides and others have started the fermentation. The ferment is a progression of several species, with some flavour contributing species not getting into the act until about the 5th or 6th week (e.g. L. brevis). See added links for more information. Webaware 07:43, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biogenic amines

G'day, I added a sentence on biogenic amines to the section on Health. This is important because more and more people are looking at both consuming more fermented foods and cutting out source of amines such as tyramine, not knowing that fermented foods are often a good source of biogenic amines. Webaware 08:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sauerkraut and it's use against Scurvy?

I'm far from a food expert but is it worth making a mention of the use of Saurkraut by sailors in the fight against scurvy, I remember reading it played a considerable part in keeping sailors healthy (Captain Cook etc HM Bark Endeavour). I know it's mentioned under the Health section, but i wonder if it shouldn't be mentioned under 'Historical Significance', as it seems to have played it's own small part in the exploration of the Pacific.

--born against 08:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weird Al's Albuquerque

The main theme and running gag in "Weird Al" Yankovic's song Albuquerque, is the fact that he hates sauerkraut. Where should that be on this page, if it should be mentioned at all? Ka5hmir 08:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Culture Involved With Sauerkraut

I added a sentence about Pennsylvanian culture and sauerkraut and pork under Other varieties. 1312020Wikicop 22:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC) 07:17, 02 March 2007(UTC)



[edit] Translation

Sauerkraut means literally sour weed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.253.2.232 (talk) 06:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You are having wrong history of "Sauerkraut"

Sauerkraut was not made by British or German. No - it was been made by Polishmans at II century after than British. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.10.119.15 (talk) 19:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

And its not even from polishmans. Sauerkraut is from Asia, and came to europe with Dschingis Kahn. As far as i know he braught it from Korea, where its still the most consumed food, like Bread in Germany. --85.181.176.95 (talk) 08:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Do you guys have any sources to back up your claims? WinterSpw (talk) 01:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reapeadetly warming up tastes better

Its well known, and practiced, in germany that Sauerkraut starts to taste better the next day. So if you heat it up... and then heat it up the next day, it tastes better. Also most people tend to cook it for several hours, because it looses its "sournes" (i don't really know the englisch word....). Its the most common way to eat it in Germany --85.181.176.95 (talk) 08:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)