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[edit] A question

There is something wrong with the following passage:

"Mervyn Peake, the Anglo-Chinese writer best known for his Gormenghast trilogy........"

Mervyn Peake was born to British parents. The description of Anglo-Chinese will imply that he is a Chinese-British citizen, which is not the case.

User:Siyac 16:43, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

The settled white European population in India were always known as Anglo-Indian, so Anglo-Chinese seems perfectly reasonable for someone born to the British community in China. Esquimo 11:55, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coverage on NPR

I just heard a report about Sark on the public radio show All Things Considered. I was zoned out until the end, but it sounded interesting. Check it out: "Tiny British Island Swaps Feudalism for Democracy" -- Crnk Mnky 23:00, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent change in arrangements

We need to write this up. – Kaihsu 11:14, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually there is already some description in the article. – Kaihsu 11:33, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Sark is used as name of a feudal planet in Isaac Asimov's novel The Currents of Space.

Vanamond

[edit] Tax immigrants

Someone put that template behind the sentece that says that there are not many tax immigrants. The fact is from an email from the Seigneur he sent me when I had asked him for informtion about the island to improve this and the German article. He looked at this page (the then actual version) and found it "very inaccurate"; one of the things he wrote was "Change of language has nothing to do with tax exiles of which we have very few". So this is where the information ist from.--Hun2 12:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

The last time I visited Sark, I saw plenty of tax exiles, and the locals were complaining about how they didn't mix. If you have a population of a few hundred and 20-50 people arrive, this may be a small number, but not amongst a few hundred. --MacRusgail 17:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC) p.s. I wouldn't totally trust the Seigneurie, they have their own agendas, and their claims concerning the island often don't hold water when researched. Dame Sybil's comments were particularly bogus.
I changed the sentence.--Hun2de Correct me! 10:26, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Nothing personal, but is there some other source other than a conversation with the Seigneur (an official notice or some external source or something) that qualified under Wikipedia:Reliable sources? I removed your cite attempt. Until there's some source for the claim itself, it doesn't belong (or needs a {{fact}}) I simply removed it. Let's have a source for the claim first and then it can be discussed further. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:05, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sèrtchiais?

Is Sèrtchiais the same as Sercquiais? --AW 21:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Obviously so, see Sercquiais --Ratzer (talk) 14:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Please do not bite at folks who ask questions. Sincerely, your friend, GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
It was meant straight and serious and to the point. I didn't know whether user Awiseman had checked for the existence of a Wikipedia article Sercquiais, so I did, and I thought it would help him if I pointed him to it, since I saw Sèrtchiais being used as a synonym for Sercquiais. Since I didn't check any further sources, I qualified my response as "obviously", rather than "certainly".--Ratzer (talk) 18:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I understand. It's just that words look different in print than they sound in person accompanied by a reassuring smile. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more.) Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 19:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Victor Hugo

Can anyone contribute some info about the author Victor Hugo? He is supposed to have lived on Sark for a while (at Dixcart Hotel) and I believe he wrote some of Les Miserables while living there. A cave on Sark is named after him. Twoquidtunes 06:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clameur de haro

This is taken from the French version of the Clameur de haro page: 'En Sercq, le plaignant doit, en face du témoin, se découvrir la tête, s'agenouiller, réciter "Haro, haro, haro! Au nom de Dieu et de la Reine, laissez ce travail...", et le Notre Père (en français)'.

This conflicts with what the English version of this page quotes. Can someone confirm which is correct? I fear—in spite of the French Sark page saying otherwise—it is the French page, given the fact that it cites the "on me fait tort" version as being used on the other Channel Islands.LaFoiblesse 02:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Sources appear contradictory. The official Sark website seems to say that the Sark version is identical with the Jersey version. Lemprière's Customs, Ceremonies & Traditions of the Channel Islands 1976 ISBN 0709158424 states that the words are different and gives the English translation (but not the original) as "Haro! Haro! Haro! In the name of God and of the Queen leave this work on the demand of ... who prevents you". According to Lemprière the Lord's Prayer is not a requirement in Sark. Man vyi 06:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

The end of the section seems to contradict itself; saying that the last time this legal device was used was 1970 and then saying that is has been used since then. I think what is meant is that the last time it was used on Sark was 1970 but it has since been used on other islands. I have no idea what is correct however, perhaps somebody else can clarify this small point of confusion?Eoag (talk) 05:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sark abolishes the last remaining feudal system in Europe

No, Sark! Don't quit now, you can keep it up. We believe in you! Don't let feudalism die.  :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.15.164.104 (talk) 21:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC) omg this article is so funny especially about a guy who invaded it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.33.234.155 (talk) 10:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Feudalism??

If anybody had bothered to read the article about feudalism that is linked to you soon realise that such a massive and disputed label could never been applied to a tiny island in the 21st century, regardless of how undemocratic this system may seem Quee1797 (talk) 14:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The label is attributed to a source. Perhaps you may wish to take this up with the source. --Dhartung | Talk 22:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
There really was/is no such thing as feudalism anyway. It was a convenient label adopted in the 18th century for a whole host of historical systems that really had very little in common. --86.135.178.171 (talk) 17:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, I am having a whack at that term in the Introduction, so make of it what you will. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 05:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Ia m sure you know better than historians, but if you could get a few to back up that claim, it would be nice. Rds865 (talk) 22:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Like i said the feudalism article has plenty of sources that back-up what i said, just because the media bandy the term around doesn't mean it becomes a legitimate term to you in intellectual articles Quee1797 (talk) 17:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Demonym

What would the inhabitants of Sark be called? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.197.177.103 (talk) 03:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

A Sarkee or a Sercquiais, according to preference. Man vyi (talk) 04:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Invasion

Did the invader fire any shots? what was his motivation, did he have any chance of success? Rds865 (talk) 22:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The info is in the link. If you think it should be added to the article, feel free. Your friend, GeorgeLouis (talk) 23:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Huzzah!

The Middle Ages are finally over! And we're already past the millennium! Time's-a wastin...204.52.215.107 (talk) 21:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] André Gardes

I merged this article into here as the individual is not notable outside of the context of the article and very little is known about him that could be used to expand his article. Million_Moments (talk) 15:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] United Kingdom

I thought these 'governments' such as Sark, Jersey and so on made a big fuss that they ar eNOT part of the UK. But they are certainly (rightly) classified under this heading here as the UK provides them with defence and foreign representation and smiles benignly on their odd banking systems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.119.105 (talk) 20:57, 15 May 2008 (UTC)