Talk:Santoor

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I started to wikify this and then realized that it sounds suspiciously like liner notes from a Shivkumar Sharma album. --LeeHunter 17:16, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed merger with Santur

I don't think this article should be merged with santur. If anything, there should be a "Santur" article for the Persian santur (since the origin of the instrument is Persian), and maybe an "Indian santoor" (or santur or santour) for the currently named santoor article. The physical differences, playing styles, and famous musicians between the Persian and its derivative Indian santurs are different enough to merit different articles. --jonsafari 23:01, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Right now both are covered in this longer article. I'll merge in the bit of text from Santur. If they are to be separate articles, that requires a lot more editing and writing work anyway, so I'm consolidating them for now. —Michael Z. 2005-10-16 14:58 Z

Wow. It's like you didn't even care what anyone thought about the proposed merge. You just stuck that merge proposal on the page for a day or two just to appear like you wanted to do things orderly, then went ahead with the merge no matter what. Unimpressive.

Also, since you seem to be unfamiliar with this topic, you might not be aware that the "santoor" (Indian) article appears to be a huge copyvio, thus negating your claims. --jonsafari 16:39, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I was responding to someone deleting all references to santur at santoor—it looked like they started to merge or differentiate the articles, but left it in an unfinished state. Since after reading it over in more detail, santoor seemed to be about both the Persian and derived Indian instruments, I rolled the few sentences here into that article. The two articles as they stand aren't about the two different instruments or versions. Since splitting the existing text would require substantial work whether it was to remain at one article or split into two, I thought this would be okay.

The copyvio was mentioned, but I have no way of verifying or denying it, so I decided to let others deal with it. Until a copyvio tag is placed on the page by someone who really knows, I'm not justified in doing anything about it. I'll just try to leave these alone for now, but folks, please don't just obliterate the connection between these obviously closely related instruments, and don't delete the merge tags without either merging or making these articles stand on their own. —Michael Z. 2005-10-16 17:51 Z

If a majority of the people vote to merge the two articles, then I have absolutely no problem with the merge. Either merging or splitting will both require substantial work, either way (much of which will probably be done by me or someone else knowledgeable in this field; not you). I just don't appreciate you merging so soon after putting up the merge tags, and without the majority being in support of the merge. If a majority support the merge, then fine, let's go ahead and start merging. Otherwise, just let it go.--jonsafari 00:48, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

This article randomly mixes descriptions of the Persian santur with the Indian, to the detriment of properly understanding either one. It would be better if split into two separate articles. Also, the difference of "santur" and "santoor" is no more than one of spelling, and either spelling may be used for the Indian or the Persian santur, and so doesn't properly serve to distinguish them.

I looked at the two pages Santur and Santoor but did not find any mention of Indian instrument. Shall we have to start a third page for this ancient Indian hundred-stringed instrument -- Shat-tantri Veena? It may perhaps be called Shantoor! Ghanonmatta 16:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

If the shata-tantri veena is sufficiently different from the santoor, and there's good references to verify the article, I don't see why not. –jonsafari 20:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wrong information

While going by your information i saw that it has been mentioned that sh. ulhas bapat introduced chromatic ttuning on santoor. may i mention here that Sh. shaukat Ahmed from kashmir. at the same time the great sufiyana ustad also played similarly. may this be corrected. (Arifchisti 05:42, 18 August 2007 (UTC))