Talk:Santiago Ramón y Cajal

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I think his last name is Ramón y Cajal, not Cajal as the article has. At least, that's the way Kandel et al. (2000) uses it. Anyone know?

(Kandel E.R., Schwartz, J.H., Jessell, T.M., Principles of Neural Science, 4th ed. McGraw-Hill, New York (2000).)

delldot | talk 15:55, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

i don,t agree i think his last name is y Cajal and Ramón is his middle name. a 7th grad student

Actually, since I wrote this, I've seen it both ways, mostly just Cajal. So you're probably right. delldot | talk 19:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Ramón y Cajal is his last name. In many Spanish speaking countries people have 2 last names. I think people use Cajal as shorthand, but in reality should be Ramón y Cajal. I think since both are in wide usage, both are acceptable. Nrets 22:13, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

-- His first name is "Santiago". His father's family name is "Ramón", and his mother's family name is "Cajal", so according to Spanish surname rules his surnames are "Ramón (y) Cajal". Spanish citizens may have one or two names, which are not considered as a first and a second name but as a compound name (e.g., "Roberto Alejandro", "María Luisa" or "José María"). However, in any case, they must have two surnames. Until some years ago, it was compulsory that the first surname was the first surname of the father, and the second surname was the first surname of the mother, but the actual law allows the first surname of the mother to be the first one of the son (and then the second surname of the father the first of the son). (This was written by a Spanish guy wity a compound name)

  • What the person above said. :) My name is Daniel Demaret y Bowen :) DanielDemaret 19:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clean-up template

The article needs some rewriting for various reasons and in various ways; aside from some of the style and formatting being ut of keeping with the MoS, some of the sections are written in staccato style, one short sentence after another, and there's some odd syntax. I'm also unsure about the gallery. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 20:30, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

  • I didn't mean to jump the gun on the removal of the clean-up tag Mel, sorry about that. I should have left a notice here before I did that. What do you think of the article as it stands now? Semiconscious • talk 23:25, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm... I'll take a stab at some rewriting, but I vote strongly in favor of the gallery. These images are the reason this man won the Nobel Prize: they define his professional work and are considered to be some of the finest drawings in neurohistology. Semiconscious • talk 21:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
The images in the gallery can (should?) be moved to the commons. Galleries are actively encouraged at the commons and this article can easily be linked to such a gallery using the {{commons}} template. JeremyA 21:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but that little "this article has related media on commons" box is so inconspicuous. If people don't think the gallery should be on this page, then so be it, but I feel it adds significantly to the aesthetics and comprehension of the article by having it displayed as-is. Semiconscious • talk 22:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
I have no strong feelings either way about the gallery. The public domain images would be a good addition to the commons anyway though. On the subject of the images in this article, I notice that Image:Cajal.gif is marked as 'Fair Use' without a fair use justification. I think that fair use is justified in this article, but the image is also used in Scientist, where it probably does not qualify as fair use. Also, Image:Cajal-mi.jpg, which is already on the commons is marked as PD because Cajal died in 1934--however copyright of photos is determined by the lifespan of the photographer not the subject so it is possible that this photo isn't actually PD. JeremyA 22:13, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I strongly vote for keeping the gallery too. This is the most famous aspect of Cajal's work, plus the figure legends illustrate the diversity of neural structures that he worked on. Nrets 22:09, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

It's not a matter of voting, but of reaching consensus through discussion. Thus, you need to make your case, and explain why you disagree with the cases made by others. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:19, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

In every book on Neurology I have ever read, his stained images are present, even when there is no picture of Santiago. They are the reason we know about neurology. Keep them. DanielDemaret 19:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Vacation Stories" edit

I came to this page trying to remember if Ramón y Cajal was the author of the "Vacation Stories". When wikipedia didn't mention his science fiction, I had to look it up elsewhere. I added the sentence about the "Stories" so that anyone else coming to this article for information about his contribution to sci-fi rather than his contributions to neurology will be able to find it.

Rinne na dTrosc 15:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)



[edit] REAL NAME

Hello, I am a spanish student and I can assure you his real name is Santiago, his last name is: Ramón y Cajal, in fact, we use the term "Cajal" in order to make his name shorter.

Ok, let's clear this name thing up one more time. Spaniards have the same number of names as people of English (or other European descent). They have a first name, sometimes a middle name, and their father's last name as their legal last name. Traditionally, Spaniards will append their mother's maiden name after their father's last name. Thus, if your name is Billy Ray, and your father's last name is Jones, you are Billy Ray Jones. If you follow the Spanish tradition, and your mother's maiden name is Smith, your formal name would be Billy Ray Jones Smith. Legally, your last name is Jones. If you wanted to shorten your name in colloquial usage, you would be called simply Billy Jones. Similarly, in Spanish, if your name is Antonio Ramon Sanchez Rodriguez, and you are using the short form in colloquial speech, you would be known as Antonio Sanchez. In formal usage, for example, your college diploma, your full name would be spelled out. The letter "y" joining two last names is simply the Spanish equivalent of "and." Simple, isn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cd195 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

No, you are not right, I'm Spanish, our naming system is a little bit different from the English one.

- First: Women don't have maiden in Spain name due to a simple reason: Women don't lose their surname with the marriage.

- We have one or two names, and two surnames, the first one comes from your father and the second one comes from your mother. Example: Juan García Sanchez and María Aguirre Lopez have a daughter named Laura, then Laura will be Laura García Aguirre. But with our current laws the mother's surname could be the first one.

- Legally we have two surname, in your example (Billy Ray Jones Smith) Jones and Smith are both legally your surnames, in the same level. In all legal documents in spain (ID card, Driving License etc...) you can read Apellidos (surnames) in plural or "primer apellido" and "segundo apellido" (first surname and second surname). The same when you need to fill a formulary in spain, you'll find and space for your first surname and another one for your second surname.

- In a colloquial speech, Usually it's more used your first surname, but this is not always like this. For example Prime minister of spain is José Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, but people know him as Zapatero due to Rodriguez is a very common surname in Spain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.125.30.64 (talk) 18:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Possible link to Santiago Ramon y Cajal items on “Himetop – The History of medicine topographical database”

I suggest that somebody, interested in this page, could insert an external link to the following page describing, with pictures, some Ramon y Cajal memories: http://himetop.wikidot.com/santiago-ramon-y-cajal

I don’t do it myself because I’m also an Administrator of this site (Himetop) and it could be a violation of the Wikipedia Conflict of Interest policy. Thanks for your attention.

Luca Borghi (talk) 16:52, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aragon vs Navarra

Petilla de Aragón, despite its name, is not located in Aragon but in Navarre. However, Santiago Ramón y Cajal in spite of being Navarrese of birth is considered Aragonese, due to his early move to Aragon where he spent his childhood and youth, and where he eventually attended University of Saragossa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.219.103.21 (talk) 18:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)