Talk:Sanacja

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Sanacja, as far as I am concerned was never nationalitic party. It was not even formalize party, and for sure the slogan ("one...") is nonsense. As far as I am concerned, Pilsudski after his activity in PPS, never found another political party. The official party of Sanacja period, was called OZON.

Please provide proved for your thesis AM

  • Sanacja was a socialist party with a nationalist background. It was never purely nationalist, true, but like most parties in European countries during the interwar period it utilized nationalistic slogans for public support. If you question the information on Sanacja, or its founder Jozef Pilsudski, you can refer to such books as "Europe" by Norman Davis, "Bitter Glory" by Watt, or "Drugiej Rzeczypospolitej poczatki" by Andrzej Garlicki. There are also some references on Yahoo! and on Google, but they are less informative. As for the parties current status, there is no real way that I can prove to you that we exist which would be satisfactory to everyone on here. I did not realize that adding a reference to our small party would generate so much vocalization for censorship. Sanacja 02:10, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Sorry chap, I have read original print of Jozef Pilsudski. He was not a nationalist in traditional meaning of this word. If you want to create a new party, why you try to convince anybody, that this is the same party as it was in 1926??
    • From the information that I have seen on both Pilsudski and Sanacja, it was nationalistic in nature. Maybe your definition of Nationalism and ours are different. Its purpose was to advance the Polish nation, and specifically to protect it from the threats of its aggressive neighbors. Pilsudski only wrote on his campaign against the Russians, and some patriotic poetry, both of which are very nationalistic in nature. Not sure what else to tell you. Sanacja 02:18, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Perhaps the article would be more generally acceptable if it focused primarliy on the historical party, giving detailed verifiable facts, dates, names, etc. Then a note that there is a Modern Sanacja party that holds the same ideals as the historical party. Then you could put details about the modern party in the modern article. Seperating the two is likely to cause far less controversy. AQBachler 04:07, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)

  • That is actually a good idea, thank you. I will do this. Hopefully it will clear up the confussion and stop the arguments. Thanks again Sanacja 04:09, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I really hope that the changes I made will resolve any disputes that were out there. All this information, with the exception of the last sentance of coarse, is translated from "Encyklopedia Popularna PWN." If you think it is innaccurate please write to them, not me. Sanacja 04:58, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)

A clarification: This page is written by me and not copied from "Encyklopedia Popularna PWN". The dates and facts are translated from that source however, as well as the cited sources above, in response to prior requests for citations. There is no reason to consider it an infringement of any copyright laws since it is an original text, check the Encyklopedia Popularna PWN if you don't believe me. Sanacja 16:41, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I removed the copyvio notice, in the light of your arguments. theresa knott 14:43, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Made some changes to clarify and remove the NPOV dispute. Simple google search provides verification of info, or check http://wiem.onet.pl/wiem/00fc84.html Katarzyna 02:25, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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Really, I mean it. I removed the "Nationalist" from the header since it was everything but nationalist. It was, just like Pilsudski himself, unionist, which meant that it promoted all national minorities as long as they stayed loyal to the state. It was nationalistic only as long as the term "Poles" was applied to all the inhabitants of Poland. Other usage is misleading.

Also, it's hard to call Sanacja a political party. Since it was totally informal ('though the people involved were widely known as its members), it was more of a political movement. It never had a statute, council or never participated in any elections. There is a huge difference between sanacja, BBWR and OZON. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 00:59, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)