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This is straightout of the page the Historicity of Muhammad
Basically I don't know anything about this find and I am hoping that others can fill in the blanks.
BernardZ 04:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hillenbrand cite
The years given in YOUR Hillenbrand cite, 790 -835, do not match those at Historicity of Muhammad, 645-690, for exactly the same article. This should be checked in the original article by Hillenbrand and corrected at whichever page has it wrong. ThuranX 12:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
- They also don't match the dates given at page linked on the Islamic Awareness site, [1] -- Jheald 14:37, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- The change was made in this anonymous edit. [2]. I've checked on Google books, [3] and it looks like it's vandalism. The book does indeed say 645-690, so I'm restoring it. Jheald 14:49, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Citations Required
The new P Puin paragraphs which have been added all need citations to back up their claim. If they are going to make such a heavy statement as the Quran has been altered, then please please provide references. Provide imagery, third credible sources, audio, video everything you have. If however, this cannot be provided soon, I ask others or I personally will remove these new additions. Do not mislead others through conjecture. --Waqas1987 23:43, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
- Here is a source. http://cremesti.com/amalid/Islam/Yemeni_Ancient_Koranic_Texts.htm Stroika 06:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Merge
Back in July 2007 User:Azate slapped a mergetemplate to this article to Gerd R. Puin [4]. There has been no discussion so I have removed it. Puin is clearly notable, therefore needs to have his own article. This subject is also notable therefore etc etc. Stroika 08:00, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Read the Truth
http://www.geocities.com/mutmainaa/Dhikr/quran_history.html
examination done by non muslims found the verses of Quran is the same since the Prophits life (Saas)
The History of the Qur'an
In this Book, the Holy Prophet's life, the history of the Arabs and the events which occurred during the period of the revelation of the Qur'an have not been mingled with the Divine Verses, as is the case with the Bible. The Qur'an is the pure word of God. Not one word therein is not divine. Not a single word has been deleted from its text. The Book has been handed down to our age in its complete and original form since the time of Prophet Muhammad.
From the time the Book began to be revealed, the Holy Prophet had dictated its text to the scribes. Whenever some Divine Message was revealed, the Holy Prophet would call a scribe and dictate its words to him. The written text was then read out to the Holy Prophet, who, having satisfied himself that the scribe has committed no error of recording, would put the manuscript in safe custody.
The Blessed Prophet used to instruct the scribe about the sequence in which a revealed message was to be placed in a particular Surah (chapter). In this manner, the Holy Prophet continued to arrange the text of the Quran in systematic order till the end of the chain of revelations. Again, it was ordained from the beginning of Islam that a recitation of the Qur'an must be an integral part of worship. Hence the illustrious Companions would commit the Divine verses to memory as soon as they were revealed. Many of them learned the whole text and a far larger number had memorized different portions of it.
Method of preservations of the Qur'an during the Prophet's time Besides, those of the Companions (radiAllahu anhum) who were literate used to keep a written record of several portions of the Holy Qur'an. In this manner, the text of the Holy Qur'an had been preserved in four different ways during the lifetime of the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him):
a) The Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) had the whole text of the Divine Messages from the beginning to the end committed to writing by the scribes of revelations. b) Many of the Companions learned the whole text of the Quran, every syllable of it, by heart. c) All the illustrious Companions, without an exception, had memorized at least some portions of the Holy Qur'an, for the simple reason that it was obligatory for them to recite it during worship. An estimate of the number of the illustrious Companions may be obtained from the fact that one hundred and forty thousands Companions had participated in the Last Pilgrimage performed by the Holy Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam). d) A considerable number of the literate Companions kept a private record of the text of the Qur'an and satisfied themselves as to the purity of their record by reading it out to the Holy Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam).
Method of preservations of the Quran after the demise of the Prophet It is an incontrovertible historical truth that the text of the Holy Qur'an extant today is, syllable for syllable, exactly the same as the Holy Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) had offered to the world as the Word of God. After the demise of the Holy Prophet, the first Caliph Abu Bakr (radiAllahu anhu) assembled all the Huffaz and the written records of the Holy Qur'an and with their help had the whole text written in Book form.
In the time of Uthman (radiAllahu anhu) copies of this original version were made and officially dispatched to the Capitals of the Islamic World. Two Of these copies exist in the world today, one in Istanbul and the other in Tashkent. Whosoever is so inclined may compare any printed text of the Holy Qur'an with those two copies, he shall find no variation. And how can one expect any discrepancy, when there have existed several million Huffaz in every generation since the time of the Holy Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) and in our own time? Should anyone alter a syllable of the original text of the Qur'an, these Huffaz would at once expose the mistake.
[[In the last century, an Institute of Munich University in Germany collected FORTY-TWO THOUSAND copies of the Holy Qur'an including manuscripts and printed texts produced in each period in the various parts of the Islamic World. Research work was carried out on these texts for half a century, at the end of which the researchers concluded that apart from copying mistakes, there was no discrepancy in the text of these forty-two thousand copies, even though they belonged to the period between the 1st Century Hijra to 14th Century Hijrah and had been procured from all parts of the world. This Institute, alas! perished in the bombing attacks on Germany during World War II, but the findings of its research project survived.]] Another point that must be kept in view is that the word in which the Qur'an was revealed is a living language in our own time. It is still current as the mother tongue of about a hundred million people from Iraq to Morocco. In the non-Arab world too, hundreds of thousands of people study and teach this language.
The grammar of the Arabic language, its lexicon, its phonetic system and its phraseology, have remained intact for fourteen hundred years.
A modern Arabic-speaking person can comprehend the Holy Qur'an with as much proficiency as did the Arabs of fourteen centuries ago. This, then, is an important attribute of Muhammad (salAllahu alayhi wasalam), which is shared by no other Prophet or Leader of Religion. The Book which God revealed to Him for the guidance of mankind is today's in its original language without the slightest alteration in its vocabulary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.24.224.18 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 15 December 2007
That's a bunch of nonsense. That "Institute of Munich University" episode is just hilarious because you are referring to a photo archive of 450 rolls of film assembled by the "Bavarian Academy of Sciences" to study the evolution of the Koran. There was never a study of the archive because of the war and also because the archive disappeared, presumably destroyed. One researcher named Spitaler was writing in 1970 that the destruction of the archive made the project "outright impossible", but the funny thing is that recently it was found that he actually had the archive in his possession all along, but he kept it hidden for 60 years to please oil rich Muslim patrons funding his academic career. The current custodian of the archive, prof. Angelika Neuwirth is also very keen to please her Muslim sponsors, so she is making sure to deny access to the archive to any scholars who don't follow the traditional interpretation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.121.18.134 (talk) 07:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Revision http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sana%27a_manuscripts&oldid=217273465
About this revision. The reference for Puin's letter as well as al-Azami's quote is the same book viz. al-Azami, Muhammad Mustafa. The History of The Qur’ānic Text from Revelation to Compilation: A Comparative Study with the Old and New Testaments, Leicester, England: UK Islamic Academy, 2003. pgs. 3-13. Somehow I haven't cited it for Puin's letter and only used it for al-Azami's quote. User:Azate has done a good job of reverting a suspicious revision http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sana%27a_manuscripts&diff=217273465&oldid=217260292 however now that I've clarified his doubt (here, as well as on his talk page) I'm reverting the latest revision to mine. Please comment here in case anyone wants to undo that one again.
Oh yes, and there is no conspiracy theory anywhere here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elazeez (talk • contribs) 12:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
