Talk:Samuel Francis

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Does anyone, such as maybe the original anonymous author, have a citation for this quotation? It doesn't Google. -Willmcw 01:28, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

   The Anti-Defamation League branded Francis "an advocate of 
   well mannered white supremacy",...

Go to this site and search for the word 'well-mannered' , it's there. --B Sveen

Thanks for finding it. Here it is:

  Another featured speaker at AR conferences has been Sam Francis, a former 
  Washington Times columnist who was dismissed in September 1995 after his 
  racial views were publicized by conservative writer    Dinesh D'Souza. 
  Francis has since become a writer, editor and lecturer for another outpost 
  of well-mannered white supremacy, the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC),
  and an outspoken advocate of separation of the races. In a presentation at the 
  1994 AR convention, Francis stated that white Americans must reassert our 
  identity and our solidarity, and we must do so in explicitly racial terms 
  through the articulation of a racial consciousness as whites....The civilization 
  we as whites created in Europe and America could not have developed apart from 
  the genetic endowment of the creating people, nor is there any reason to believe 
  that the civilization can be successfully transmitted to a different people.

It seems to me that the CCC is the "outpost of well-mannered white supremacy," so it isn't a literal quote to say that Francis is their advocate, but a rather a logical surmise. We should leave the quote but drop the quotation marks. -Willmcw 02:09, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Too many blockq quotes

Let's cut back on the lengthy block quotes. This is an encyclopedia article, and sohold be succinct. -Will Beback 18:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

The problem is when dealing with a controversial figure like this, there's no real NPOV summary of what the guy says, so you have to let him speak for himself. Also, in the case of Francis, the quotes themselves become areas of contention, as in "he said X, therefore he is a racist/sexist/homophobe/whatever." Yakuman 19:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

His words are widely avaialbe for those who wish to read the original comments. Our job is to summarize. Where quotes aqre absolutely necessary they should be as short as possible. -Will Beback 20:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

There are seventeen quotes from hard copy sources, which aren't widely available. At the magic number of 32k, this is not terribly long. Don't worry about it. Yakuman 22:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Five quotes is the usual number, with the excess moved to Wikiquotes. -Will Beback 20:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Machiavellian"

Could someone edit "Machiavellian" to link to Niccolo Machiavelli? "Machiavellian" is a term describing a ruthless schemer, deriving from a common misconception of the controversial and misunderstood principles Machiavelli actually believed in and advocated. The way it is makes it look like Francis was a nasty character rather who would to anything to get ahead rather than a student of Machiavelli. I'd change it myself, but my browser is too small and it would cut the page in half.Shield2 05:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Is there any truth to the story that Sam had a death bed conversion to catholicism?

[edit] Lead assumes too much

"Nationally syndicated" in where? Canada? Scotland? Australia? The lead needs to locate this man in history and geography, not just politics, to give the political details any context. 87.113.24.173 (talk) 23:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)