Talk:Sam Ryan

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[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move. JPG-GR (talk) 02:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Samantha Ryan → Sam Ryan — Per sources. —-- Jeandré, 2008-03-21t19:17z 19:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

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Support. References in article support shortened version. Iamaleopard (talk) 22:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Oppose. It can lead people into thinking she's a man. Georgia guy (talk) 23:32, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Huh? It isn't our job to tell people what to call themselves, our job is simply to report what name is the most common name for a person. 199.125.109.107 (talk) 05:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Support the androgynous [sic] Sam Ryan as per nominator. Tigeron (talk) 20:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Any additional comments:

Hmmm, a quick Google of "Samantha Ryan" CBS gave 1210 ghits while "Sam Ryan" CBS gave 4900, but that's not a lot of difference. In everyday speech I'd tend to use the full name. Interested in other views on this. Andrewa (talk) 20:53, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I would believe assuming that these hit are auccurate we should use Sam since there are over 4 times as many hits and that would comply with WP:COMMONNAME --76.66.188.20 (talk) 23:09, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

The Google searches I've done are borderline IMO. They do establish that both names are in common usage, but I think it would be unsafe to rely on them to support the assertion that Sam is the common name. If it's true, we should be able to find other evidence; If not, we shouldn't move the article. Andrewa (talk) 00:13, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

When I wrote "Per sources", I meant the 2 sources in the article: the Media week news article, and her ESPN bio. If someone wants it to stay at the unsourced Samantha, they'll need to replace the inline sources or find a reliable source that states that Samantha Ryan and Sam Ryan is the same person in order to keep the 2 current sources. -- Jeandré, 2008-03-22t16:58z

Here is another reference: http://wcbstv.com/bios/WCBS.WCBS.TV.9.8563.html

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And http://www.abcmedianet.com/shows05/sports/commentators/ryan.shtml

And http://www.fanunity.com/sam-ryan/

And http://www.tv.com/sam-ryan/person/307208/summary.html

And finally 30 cites: http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=CLB&str=51426&styp=clbi&nm=Sam%20Ryan&nbc1=1

However, there is an actor named Samuel J. Ryan born about 1860 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0752828/ 199.125.109.107 (talk) 06:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I've used some of the refs here that had more information than the articles'. I've removed your 2nd link - not the kind of thing we want to link to from a wp:blp talk page. Fanunity states that her full name is Samantha, but that site is not a reliable enough source. Captions from 2006 and before that from wireimage has Samantha in akas (also when doing a search on Samantha Ryan), and being part of Getty Images is probably reliable - so I've sourced her full name to it per Wikipedia:Mosbio#Pseudonyms, stage names and common names. Sam is however by far the most common recent name used, so the title should still be that per Wikipedia:Mosbio#Names. -- Jeandré, 2008-03-23t09:51z

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.